Updated UMaine BB teams 3 point shooting woes

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Updated UMaine BB teams 3 point shooting woes

Postby bcbc55 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:00 pm

As of today, Christmas Day, Maine men are shooting 29.6% for 3's and the women are at 30.8% Both are taking over 43% of their Field Goal attempts as threes. Men 44% and women 43.8%

Both teams need a Christmas present in the form of improved ways to get open three looks. This is my present to both coaches in a chart to show how they get threes and how their individual players do also for take and makes..

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Re: Comparing UMaine basketball teams 3 point shooting woes

Postby Maine19Fan » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:17 pm

Please give your otherwise meaningless statistics some perspective.

Compare the Maine teams' 3-point shots take to other teams in America East and other mid-major conferences.
Are the Maine teams taking more 3-point shots than other teams at the same level? Or, is this the norm?
Then, try to explain why teams everywhere take as many 3's as they do.

Did you know that analytics show that an open 3-point shot is the second-best opportunity in basketball, second only to the uncontested lay-up/dunk?

Also, please show how many points per three-point shot the Maine teams score compared to how many points per shot they're scoring on two-pointers.
That would show if Maine is actually getting better production on its 3-points shots than its 2-pointers.

Without that perspective, your blog item and your statistics are absolutely meaningless.
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Re: Comparing UMaine basketball teams 3 point shooting woes

Postby bcbc55 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:04 pm

Maine19Fan wrote:Please give your otherwise meaningless statistics some perspective.

Compare the Maine teams' 3-point shots take to other teams in America East and other mid-major conferences.
Are the Maine teams taking more 3-point shots than other teams at the same level? Or, is this the norm?
Then, try to explain why teams everywhere take as many 3's as they do.

Did you know that analytics show that an open 3-point shot is the second-best opportunity in basketball, second only to the uncontested lay-up/dunk?

Also, please show how many points per three-point shot the Maine teams score compared to how many points per shot they're scoring on two-pointers.
That would show if Maine is actually getting better production on its 3-points shots than its 2-pointers.

Without that perspective, your blog item and your statistics are absolutely meaningless.


19: Then don't read my BLOG's. By the way why don't you give me all of your real basketball experiences, player, coach, official?????????????????????????????????????????

Also, why don't you give me your real name....so we could check out your credability of you list your basketball exeriences if you dare to list them..
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Re: Comparing UMaine basketball teams 3 point shooting woes

Postby bcbc55 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:32 am

Maine19Fan wrote:Please give your otherwise meaningless statistics some perspective.

Compare the Maine teams' 3-point shots take to other teams in America East and other mid-major conferences.
Are the Maine teams taking more 3-point shots than other teams at the same level? Or, is this the norm?
Then, try to explain why teams everywhere take as many 3's as they do.

Did you know that analytics show that an open 3-point shot is the second-best opportunity in basketball, second only to the uncontested lay-up/dunk?

Also, please show how many points per three-point shot the Maine teams score compared to how many points per shot they're scoring on two-pointers.
That would show if Maine is actually getting better production on its 3-points shots than its 2-pointers.

Without that perspective, your blog item and your statistics are absolutely meaningless.


19: Only 2nd best when they are going in and that is not the case for either UMaine team right now.

Men are shooting 44.7% for 2's compared to 29.6% for 3's and take 44.4% of their FGA's as 3's.

Women are shooting 48.5% for 2's compared to 30.8% for 3's and take 43.3% of their FGA's as 3's.
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Re: Updated UMaine BB teams 3 point shooting woes

Postby Maine19Fan » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:19 am

55, rest assured that I rarely read your uninformed blog. Bad enough that you subject us to your crapola in this forum.

The men's 3-point shooting? Yeah, the team isn't real good. But, it still produces more points per 3 attempted than on its 2-point attempts.

As for the women: You do realize that they've played against a schedule that is among the top 20 nationally.
Here's some perspective, something you never provide: It's immeasurably easier to get open looks from long range against high-quality/better opponents than it is to try to get points in the paint.
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Re: Updated UMaine BB teams 3 point shooting woes

Postby bcbc55 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:07 pm

Maine19Fan wrote:55, rest assured that I rarely read your uninformed blog. Bad enough that you subject us to your crapola in this forum.

The men's 3-point shooting? Yeah, the team isn't real good. But, it still produces more points per 3 attempted than on its 2-point attempts.

As for the women: You do realize that they've played against a schedule that is among the top 20 nationally.
Here's some perspective, something you never provide: It's immeasurably easier to get open looks from long range against high-quality/better opponents than it is to try to get points in the paint.


19:

Yeah how is that working for the men they are still 1-11 and 3-11. I

If it is easier to get open looks from long range against high quality/better opponents than it is to try to get points in the paint then how come UMaine women were 9 for 63 in those so called open looks. By the way do you really know that both Maine teams are using the same offense to get their big time 3 point attack. That might tell you something too of why they are shooting so poorly from beyond the arc and that they do not have the right spacing to get the ball inside in the first place.

t depends on your spacing. It is not hard to get the ball to the paint if you have the correct spacing of players and teammates look to get the ball inside. Ever hear of moving a wing or point to the post block so they can't be double teamed as it is very hard to double team a moving cutter to the block. Using the right spacing will allow a team to get open threes on the double down before or after the post player gets the ball and if he gets the ball then he goes one one if not doubled and if doubled the good shooter is open for a three and the poor shooter goes to the hoop for an open layup. The correct spacing can be used against any type of defense.
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Re: Updated UMaine BB teams 3 point shooting woes

Postby bcbc55 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:08 pm

Maine19Fan wrote:55, rest assured that I rarely read your uninformed blog. Bad enough that you subject us to your crapola in this forum.

The men's 3-point shooting? Yeah, the team isn't real good. But, it still produces more points per 3 attempted than on its 2-point attempts.

As for the women: You do realize that they've played against a schedule that is among the top 20 nationally.
Here's some perspective, something you never provide: It's immeasurably easier to get open looks from long range against high-quality/better opponents than it is to try to get points in the paint.



19:

Maine men have averaged 15.3 FG per game for 2 point FG per game for 30.6 ppg and 7.5 3's per game for 22.8 ppg

Maine women have averaged 17.2 FG per game for 2 point FG's per game for 34.4 ppg and 8.3 3's per game for 24.9 ppg

I would say both teams are scoring more points on 2 pointers then they are on 3 pointers.

Maine men are shooting 45.6% for 2's and 29.6% for 3's. Men taking 44.4 % of their FGA's as 3's and 56 % for 2'
Maine Women are shooting 51.0% for 2's and 30.8% for 3's. Women taking 43.8% of their FGA's as 3's and 56.3% for 2's
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Re: Updated UMaine BB teams 3 point shooting woes

Postby Maine19Fan » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:53 am

As usual 55, your statistics are flawed and without perspective.

The best measurement isn't how many points per game teams get on 2's and 3's.

The best measurement is the efficiency or the shots. In other words, how many points are scored per 3's taken and how many points are produced for 2's taken.

The last time I looked, both Maine teams were getting more points per 3's taken than on 2's taken.

The other part of that is that teams get more second-chance opportunities after missing a three (long rebounds often go to the offensive team) than they do on missed 2's.

None of that is to say teams should only take 3's. But, when that shot is open it's the second-best shot in basketball (proven by analytics). The only better shot is a wide-open layup.
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Re: Updated UMaine BB teams 3 point shooting woes

Postby thebam » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:28 pm

bcbc55 wrote:
Maine19Fan wrote:55, rest assured that I rarely read your uninformed blog. Bad enough that you subject us to your crapola in this forum.

The men's 3-point shooting? Yeah, the team isn't real good. But, it still produces more points per 3 attempted than on its 2-point attempts.

As for the women: You do realize that they've played against a schedule that is among the top 20 nationally.
Here's some perspective, something you never provide: It's immeasurably easier to get open looks from long range against high-quality/better opponents than it is to try to get points in the paint.


19:

Yeah how is that working for the men they are still 1-11 and 3-11. I

If it is easier to get open looks from long range against high quality/better opponents than it is to try to get points in the paint then how come UMaine women were 9 for 63 in those so called open looks. By the way do you really know that both Maine teams are using the same offense to get their big time 3 point attack. That might tell you something too of why they are shooting so poorly from beyond the arc and that they do not have the right spacing to get the ball inside in the first place.

t depends on your spacing. It is not hard to get the ball to the paint if you have the correct spacing of players and teammates look to get the ball inside. Ever hear of moving a wing or point to the post block so they can't be double teamed as it is very hard to double team a moving cutter to the block. Using the right spacing will allow a team to get open threes on the double down before or after the post player gets the ball and if he gets the ball then he goes one one if not doubled and if doubled the good shooter is open for a three and the poor shooter goes to the hoop for an open layup. The correct spacing can be used against any type of defense.

See in red.. I'll take this one.. Because just because they get an open look doesn't mean they have the skill to make it. Or, they had an off night. A missed shot does not equate to a bad shot. If it's open, you let it fly. If you are good enough, they go in.
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Re: Updated UMaine BB teams 3 point shooting woes

Postby bcbc55 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:10 pm

thebam wrote:
bcbc55 wrote:
Maine19Fan wrote:55, rest assured that I rarely read your uninformed blog. Bad enough that you subject us to your crapola in this forum.

The men's 3-point shooting? Yeah, the team isn't real good. But, it still produces more points per 3 attempted than on its 2-point attempts.

As for the women: You do realize that they've played against a schedule that is among the top 20 nationally.
Here's some perspective, something you never provide: It's immeasurably easier to get open looks from long range against high-quality/better opponents than it is to try to get points in the paint.


19:

Yeah how is that working for the men they are still 1-11 and 3-11. I

If it is easier to get open looks from long range against high quality/better opponents than it is to try to get points in the paint then how come UMaine women were 9 for 63 in those so called open looks. By the way do you really know that both Maine teams are using the same offense to get their big time 3 point attack. That might tell you something too of why they are shooting so poorly from beyond the arc and that they do not have the right spacing to get the ball inside in the first place.

t depends on your spacing. It is not hard to get the ball to the paint if you have the correct spacing of players and teammates look to get the ball inside. Ever hear of moving a wing or point to the post block so they can't be double teamed as it is very hard to double team a moving cutter to the block. Using the right spacing will allow a team to get open threes on the double down before or after the post player gets the ball and if he gets the ball then he goes one one if not doubled and if doubled the good shooter is open for a three and the poor shooter goes to the hoop for an open layup. The correct spacing can be used against any type of defense.

See in red.. I'll take this one.. Because just because they get an open look doesn't mean they have the skill to make it. Or, they had an off night. A missed shot does not equate to a bad shot. If it's open, you let it fly. If you are good enough, they go in.


theBam: What about rushing the 3 because the shooter is not squared and hands are not in the shooting position where they want the pass. That means less chance for the shot to go in because shooter is rushed because they have to square if they are not already squared and have to move their hands to the shooting position because they didn't give the passer the target of where the shooter wanted the ball. This happens more when shooter comes of a screen on the move or goes 1 on 1 off a screen to the ball or a 1-1 off the dribble. Standstill shooters are more apt to be squared, have their hands in the shooting position and where they want to receive the pass.

Also, do not see many if any 3 point shooters who are being closed out fake the three and go to the hoop and if no shot create a three for a teammate off the dribble penetration to the basket.

This happens at all levels middle school, high school, college and the pros. Higher 3 point shot percentage for standstill shooters then for shooters moving by running or dribbling to 3 point line to get the 3's.

Surprised coaches at all levels don't work on making sure their players are squared to the basket, hands in the shooting position where they want the ball on the pass, especially when on the move to the 3 point line spot they end up at. How many coaches know the 12 ways to get 3's, the 6 standstill methods and the 6 off the move and also don't know it for individual players let alone their teams.
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