A Great Era for Civil Discourse

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Re: A Great Era for Civil Discourse

Postby midcoastman » Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:44 pm

driveandive wrote:Any bans are meaningless unless 3D printers are made illegal.

Yes and no. Yes it is easy (kinda, not really) to replicate firearm components with a 3D printer, but it's still illegal to produce automatic weaponry on your own if you don't have the permits, and anyone in possession of such weaponry would be committing a crime. Obviously, if someone wants to commit a crime there isn't much to stop he or she from doing so, but there have been no mass shootings of this nature committed with automatic weaponry, so we can say that if something is illegal and hard to come by, it is less likely to be used in this type of heinous act. Unfortunately, there are no easy answers to this problem, but I would hesitate to say that unless 3D printers are banned, no other policy decisions should be made.
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Re: A Great Era for Civil Discourse

Postby Mike Tomlin » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:27 pm

hawksfan wrote:
Mike Tomlin wrote:Banning bump stocks is a no brainer.


Agreed...I know only whats been put out there the last few days...

It defies logic to think that fully automatic weapons ("machine guns") have been banned since 1934, (& re-codified in law again in 1986), and yet modifications to turn a semi into a fully is not illegal.

Is that true...? Bump stocks ostensibly turns, say, an AR-15 into a machine gun? And are those things legal & easily obtained?

Nevertheless...as far as I know this incident is the first involving bump stocks; banning them may prevent a copy of Vegas, (how many are out there?), but it won't really change things much...
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Re: A Great Era for Civil Discourse

Postby Mike Tomlin » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:39 pm

driveandive wrote:Any bans are meaningless unless 3D printers are made illegal.


So you’re ready to sacrifice a kazillion copyrights? The ability to produce something and the legality of doing so are distinctly different.

Bumpstocks were viewed as dumb accessories for posers by serious shooters, just a flashy way to waste ammo. They severely compromise accuracy in a typical range setting. This guy figured out that using bump stocks from a highly elevated position into a large crowd made gravity more than compensate for accuracy. Stephen King couldn’t have imagined this pathetic loser’s level of planning.
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Re: A Great Era for Civil Discourse

Postby driveandive » Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:12 am

The point isn't the legality. If laws made it illegal to manufacture certain weapons or accessories, there are still fairly easy ways to make them. Reactionary legislation mostly yields ineffective results.
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Re: A Great Era for Civil Discourse

Postby mainejeff » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:30 pm

They need to ban plastic, aluminum and glass too! Those materials can hold alcoholic beverages which if consumed too much can lead to drunk driving which is already illegal. Ban materials that can hold alcohol AND 3-D printers!!!

:roll: :roll: :roll:
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Re: A Great Era for Civil Discourse

Postby hawksfan » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:56 pm

driveandive wrote:The point isn't the legality. If laws made it illegal to manufacture certain weapons or accessories, there are still fairly easy ways to make them. Reactionary legislation mostly yields ineffective results.


Agreed...re: reactionary legislation & lack of results.

Like most all "issues" with today's Democrat party...social progressives dominate it...they don't view this a need to resolve problems that lead to these tragedies. No, rather, they view the most recent events as an opportunity to make inroads on their overriding agenda which is federally mandated control of the populace. They're perfectly content to take incremental "victories" in pursuit of their goals. Hence the reactionary demand for "common sense" gun "safety" (notice how the word safety has replaced the word control? SPD language games at work here) laws that aren't even in the same galaxy insofar as solving the problem at hand...thing is the only way to achieve that objective is to go full on reactionary to ram it through before emotions cool. It is cynical, it is pernicious & it is the exact same game plan every single time.

Note...the above pertains to SPD politicians, the BHG legacy media & the useful chuckleheaded celebrities such as Jimmy Kimmel, Chuck "crocadile tears" Schumer's latest progressive sock puppet...
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Re: A Great Era for Civil Discourse

Postby driveandive » Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:48 am

mainejeff wrote:They need to ban plastic, aluminum and glass too! Those materials can hold alcoholic beverages which if consumed too much can lead to drunk driving which is already illegal. Ban materials that can hold alcohol AND 3-D printers!!!

:roll: :roll: :roll:

See, now you're getting it. Unless you unintentionally made my point while missing it.
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Re: A Great Era for Civil Discourse

Postby mainejeff » Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:51 am

Republicans/conservatives are predictable too. Run roughshod over the Constitution and individual rights....unapologetically......all while draping themselves in the stars & stripes....& belittling & marginalizing every United States citizen that isn't a straight white male. #Pathetic.
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Re: A Great Era for Civil Discourse

Postby mainejeff » Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:53 am

driveandive wrote:
mainejeff wrote:They need to ban plastic, aluminum and glass too! Those materials can hold alcoholic beverages which if consumed too much can lead to drunk driving which is already illegal. Ban materials that can hold alcohol AND 3-D printers!!!

:roll: :roll: :roll:

See, now you're getting it. Unless you unintentionally made my point while missing it.


But wait a minute.....we have common sense drunk driving legislation. Why is that?
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Re: A Great Era for Civil Discourse

Postby Mike Tomlin » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:38 pm

hawksfan wrote:
driveandive wrote:The point isn't the legality. If laws made it illegal to manufacture certain weapons or accessories, there are still fairly easy ways to make them. Reactionary legislation mostly yields ineffective results.


Agreed...re: reactionary legislation & lack of results.

Like most all "issues" with today's Democrat party...social progressives dominate it...they don't view this a need to resolve problems that lead to these tragedies. No, rather, they view the most recent events as an opportunity to make inroads on their overriding agenda which is federally mandated control of the populace. They're perfectly content to take incremental "victories" in pursuit of their goals. Hence the reactionary demand for "common sense" gun "safety" (notice how the word safety has replaced the word control? SPD language games at work here) laws that aren't even in the same galaxy insofar as solving the problem at hand...thing is the only way to achieve that objective is to go full on reactionary to ram it through before emotions cool. It is cynical, it is pernicious & it is the exact same game plan every single time.

Note...the above pertains to SPD politicians, the BHG legacy media & the useful chuckleheaded celebrities such as Jimmy Kimmel, Chuck "crocadile tears" Schumer's latest progressive sock puppet...


That’s a whole lot of finger pointing about finger pointing without any solutions.
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