A Great Era for Civil Discourse

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Re: A Great Era for Civil Discourse

Postby midcoastman » Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:58 am

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Re: A Great Era for Civil Discourse

Postby hawksfan » Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:23 pm



I obviously couldn't disagree more MCoast...I'm very leary of "fact-checkers" & any that fall under that "journalistic" umbrella....and it would seem, once again, that my caution is warranted.

http://www.justfactsdaily.com/media-bia ... dishonest/

Point is we could do this all day, dontcha think? Its why I didn't comment on your link, but instead tried to take you up on your call for dialogue. And you give me a biased "fact check" site that impugns the publishing site of the article I linked...? 'Sup-widdat...?

I'd rather read & contemplate your thoughts on the article I posted. Does it have any merit at all? If not, where is wrong? Other ideas on how to improve the situation? Etc etc....I'm all ears, and as you yourself called for, welcome the dialogue...
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Re: A Great Era for Civil Discourse

Postby midcoastman » Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:19 pm

I guess you'd take issue with this too then: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cnn/
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Re: A Great Era for Civil Discourse

Postby midcoastman » Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:27 pm

I mean, bs aside, do you really think you post from anything other than blatantly biased right wing sources? National Review, American Thinker? I trust Media Bias Fact Check. They're fair. If you want to discredit the site, that's fine. It's not a good idea, but that's fine. FWIW they consider National Review to be a facts based outlet, but just right wing. That's fine. There are plenty of left wing, factually reliant news sources as well. But if you're trying to persuade someone of something, using blatantly right or left wing outlets is unwise.
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Re: A Great Era for Civil Discourse

Postby hawksfan » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:08 pm

midcoastman wrote:I guess you'd take issue with this too then: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cnn/


I do because it goes with just left instead of tne extreme left tnat that particular leader of the BHG legacy media is.
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Re: A Great Era for Civil Discourse

Postby hawksfan » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:30 pm

midcoastman wrote:I mean, bs aside, do you really think you post from anything other than blatantly biased right wing sources? National Review, American Thinker? I trust Media Bias Fact Check. They're fair. If you want to discredit the site, that's fine. It's not a good idea, but that's fine. FWIW they consider National Review to be a facts based outlet, but just right wing. That's fine. There are plenty of left wing, factually reliant news sources as well. But if you're trying to persuade someone of something, using blatantly right or left wing outlets is unwise.


These are OPINION pieces I've posted...most contain facts to support those opinions. You still haven't commented on the piece itself....so here we go again,....wasting time with impugning sources rather than having the dialogue on the actiual merits of the opinion.

So I ask again for the dialogue you called for...what your thoughts on that author's ideas? I'm trying to honor the request you made & the way you titled this thread....even Mikey said it was "the dumbest thing he's ever read", well ok then, right? Still a dialogue requires more give and take than that....there's a problem, the author offered the beginnings of a solution. Good? Bad? Middling? Do the dialogue Mcoast...

(By the way...that link "justfacts" I posted in response to your's? I'd never heard of them until I googled "mediabias" & that site came up on page #1. Its perfectly fine that you trust that site....I trust mrc.org. Both represent our OPINIONS. Because those sites have OPINIONS of their own. I don't even object to the BHG legacy media's OPINIONS; what I object to with the BHG's is their insufferable insistence that it is they who are down the middle objective when the opposite is true...they are the Democrat super-pac that routinely present their OPINIONS as fact & THAT is why their respect from the populace is less even than Trumpy's, either party's or Congress' as a whole).

But on to the piece I posted...I'm not trying to persuade you per se....I believe the author has a good idea....but it cannot possibly be the only idea, right? I'm asking you to read it & comment on it...who gives a rip where it came from? Its not presented as news or even an overall fact...its presented as OPINION.
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Re: A Great Era for Civil Discourse

Postby hawksfan » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:22 pm

Or if you don't want to bother with the first article posted, thoughts on this one? Clearly it falls under the civil discource as this thread is titled. Again with author's OPINION on what the director did & why...

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2017/09/2 ... nces-film/
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Re: A Great Era for Civil Discourse

Postby Mike Tomlin » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:42 pm

Letting Trump lead you into a discussion about race is as dangerous as letting him lead you into an investment opportunity.
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Re: A Great Era for Civil Discourse

Postby hawksfan » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:32 am

Mike Tomlin wrote:Letting Trump lead you into a discussion about race is as dangerous as letting him lead you into an investment opportunity.


Nothing to do with the President Mikey....

Divided America....you bet....here, there everywhere....all the calls for dialogue or national conversations or what have you are just bunk....in your case its just an excuse to beat the Trumpy pinata, in Mcoast's case its an exercise to trumpet the idea that there is out there somewhere a completely unbiased news source. Out there in the world its just a ratings or click bait trick....there's no dialogue when a harangue is so much more satisfying.

This thread is perfect....mcoast writes a thoughtful post calling for dialogue.... (which is undebatably an "exchange of ideas)....gets presented with an idea, a benchmark, a starting point for such an exchange...does he pick up the ball? Nope we devolve into more "who's source is biased" nonsense....with the heretofore unknown fact "American Thinker" publishes ideas from the right...shocked! Its an opinion site, smh.

Dialogue is: a right idea & a left idea are discussed in GOOD FAITH....& we take the best of the two & voila'! A dialogue has been had, maybe a solution has been reached. (1 note...a left idea is not a progressive idea, two different things, there are no good progressive ideas because progressives are just socialists/communists, ask the Venazualens about progressive ideas).

Later edit...perfect illustration of my point above....Harvard & its indoctrinated progressive drone students must be so proud...

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... ool-choice
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Re: A Great Era for Civil Discourse

Postby Mike Tomlin » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:41 am

This has everything to do with Trump. Race is complicated and both sides have valid points. And this is an emotionally charged subject, people are literally dying.

Imagine you're pumping gas at a big busy Irving and a monkey with a lighter shows up. That's Trump. He is making a dangerous situation much worse, and only to soothe his fragile ego. As long as he's in office this dialogue will led by his chaotic tweets and statements. In other words we're screwed.
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