The State of Trump's Union

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Re: The State of Trump's Union

Postby Mike Tomlin » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:30 am

hawksfan wrote:Baloney on Lindsey Graham-nesty....

The purpose in passing the "skinny" deal was to get health insurance into "conference" with the House. The SKINNY wan't intended to become law. It was intended to continue the process....you know, the REGULAR ORDER we discussed earlier in the week. We have no idea what the House/Senate collaboration might have produced. But no...Queen Collins decreed that the process will go no further, it is dead, we will have ObamaCollinsCare forevermore...


And then the House would have kicked the can down the road. Seven years, and all you have to hang onto is Collins. Unreal.
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Re: The State of Trump's Union

Postby mainejeff » Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:06 am

Hawk might go off the deep end when she becomes governor! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: The State of Trump's Union

Postby Lwyrup » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:50 am

mainejeff wrote:Loud mouth New Yorkers should stay on the Island.


Just an aside which island are you talking about Manhatten?, Long Island , Roosevelt, Staten, Liberty or did you really mean "Rikers"?
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Re: The State of Trump's Union

Postby Lwyrup » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:02 am

Mike Tomlin wrote:
hawksfan wrote:Baloney on Lindsey Graham-nesty....

The purpose in passing the "skinny" deal was to get health insurance into "conference" with the House. The SKINNY wan't intended to become law. It was intended to continue the process....you know, the REGULAR ORDER we discussed earlier in the week. We have no idea what the House/Senate collaboration might have produced. But no...Queen Collins decreed that the process will go no further, it is dead, we will have ObamaCollinsCare forevermore...


And then the House would have kicked the can down the road. Seven years, and all you have to hang onto is Collins. Unreal.


Ryan would not give McCain bonefides that they would not just vote up and down on the senate bill! He would not say that it was going to a joint senate house committee. McCain said without that he would vote it down. No republican in their right mind would run against Collins for the senate seat. Trump couldn't threaten her like they did to the Nevada senator or The Alaskan Senator they tried using the Interior secretary and that didn't work. The Alaskan senator had primaried the Rep Party candidate already so that was out. Trump is trying to use the bully pulpit to get a win no matter who it hurts.
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Re: The State of Trump's Union

Postby hawksfan » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:50 pm

Mike Tomlin wrote:
hawksfan wrote:Baloney on Lindsey Graham-nesty....

The purpose in passing the "skinny" deal was to get health insurance into "conference" with the House. The SKINNY wan't intended to become law. It was intended to continue the process....you know, the REGULAR ORDER we discussed earlier in the week. We have no idea what the House/Senate collaboration might have produced. But no...Queen Collins decreed that the process will go no further, it is dead, we will have ObamaCollinsCare forevermore...


And then the House would have kicked the can down the road. Seven years, and all you have to hang onto is Collins. Unreal.


What does that mean...."all you have to hang onto"...? I hope you don't mean me specifically. I've been clear...a) I'm not a Republican....I'm a conservative. If those two things were ever synonymous it was long ago.....& b) you mock me regularly for my classification of these worthless DC grandees as the UniParty...was there ever a more clear example of the truth of that description than last night? All of this has been predictable...all that was unknown was the identities of the final betrayers.

#RecallSusanCollinsNow!
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Re: The State of Trump's Union

Postby Mike Tomlin » Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:38 am

You do realize that Republican Senators were begging Paul Ryan not to pass the bill in the House if it passed. Why are you upset about a bill that no one (including conservatives) wanted to become actual law? Now the stated plan is to actually wreck our healthcare system.

They own Obamacare now. Millions of people are going to get Reinced soon because they'd rather see Americans suffer that summon the courage to fix problems. The first thing we should do is yank their current healthcare plans and put them all on Obamacare, including every member of the Trump mafia.
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Re: The State of Trump's Union

Postby hawksfan » Sat Jul 29, 2017 5:39 pm

Mike Tomlin wrote:You do realize that Republican Senators were begging Paul Ryan not to pass the bill in the House if it passed. Why are you upset about a bill that no one (including conservatives) wanted to become actual law? Now the stated plan is to actually wreck our healthcare system.

They own Obamacare now. Millions of people are going to get Reinced soon because they'd rather see Americans suffer that summon the courage to fix problems. The first thing we should do is yank their current healthcare plans and put them all on Obamacare, including every member of the Trump mafia.


Right...as I said...it was to go to conference where they could have haggled, negotiated, hearing could have been held etc etc ....regular order....cooridinated effort to come up with a plan to get the Feebs boot off our necks. Now none of that can happen....because moderate republicans are cowards.

As far owning it? Nope. Democrats created it, lied about it, stooped to unsavory tactics to get it passed, have lied about it repeatedly since implementation & met any & all suggestions, attempts etc to repeal, replace, modify it by braying "millions will die!!!!".....no sir....they made this bed & own it forever....

On a political basis the saddest part of all of this? Even the R wing of the UniParty starts any conversation with the default premise that this issue can only be resolved by feeble government intervention. Balderdash I say! The ONLY solution is extricating ourselves from Uncle Stoopid's grasping urgent need to control driven by unearned self regard.

It is sickening that so many fear life without an Orwellian cloak to drape themselves in; that so many fail to see through the sheep clothing to the snarling, feral wolf within..... R.I.P. little angel Charlie Gard...
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Re: The State of Trump's Union

Postby Mike Tomlin » Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:07 pm

Conservatives had eight years to create a better plan than the ACA. And decades to create one that would have prevented the ACA existing. They didn't, and they can't. There is no viable conservative option. None exists in practice anywhere. It is a myth.
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Re: The State of Trump's Union

Postby hawksfan » Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:10 pm

Mike Tomlin wrote:Conservatives had eight years to create a better plan than the ACA. And decades to create one that would have prevented the ACA existing. They didn't, and they can't. There is no viable conservative option. None exists in practice anywhere. It is a myth.


Bullsh**. Conservative ideas on this matter abound. They are NEVER allowed to flourish into viable options by.... Congressional leadership. "Leadership" by who? Entrenched "moderates" (a misnomer for progressive/big government) being in charge for decades. Noon, 20 Jan '89 ending the last time a conservative had leadership leverage.

Every conversation begins with "what can WE(Feeble govt) do"? Its the wrong damn question. It should start with "what policies would allow THEM (us) to most easily take care of themselves?"....do that & watch the ideas fly....
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Re: The State of Trump's Union

Postby Mike Tomlin » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:15 am

In other words if it weren't for reality Rand Paul could ride a unicorn into Congress and fix everything.
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