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Re: Classification

Postby bcbc55 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:17 pm

interloper: Thanks for the correction and the information.

Makes sense seeing that the classification committee now meets every two years to look at changing enrollment numbers.

Used to be that this was done every 4 years, but with the 5 classes that came in 2 years ago, that really makes sense that if a school chooses to move up a class that is only for 2 years to match the classifications meeting every 2 years especially with 5 classes.

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Re: Classification

Postby dunbar » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:54 pm

Lwyrup wrote:Dunbar ,
These were the October 2016 numbers ?


Nope. The numbers used for the 2017-19 cycle are from April 1, 2016.
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Re: Classification

Postby BaseFan14 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:00 am

If they use April 2016 numbers then the school enrollments listed here are not the correct ones. Some of the schools have less by April than in October from dropouts and moving schools etc.
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Re: Classification

Postby lovethegame » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:14 am

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Re: Classification

Postby Lwyrup » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:29 pm

In eastern Maine , the number of in coming freshman varies based on whether a choice student is going to one of five different high schools possibly , they have not made their mind up at this time. Two weeks ago I had a conversation with a parent who said that that their daughter was down to three schools. Let's take Brewer , Hampden , Bangor, JB and Herman they all receive students from various towns , so they don't know firm numbers for the incoming class. The classification numbers sometimes are made within 5-10 students of a schools projected numbers and could change that much easily, so to jump the gun and make a decision of class ranges could change a school between Class Aand B for the next two year cycle .
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Re: Classification

Postby dunbar » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:38 pm

lovethegame wrote:Incorrect. By this time most schools have the numbers for their incoming freshmen class. So you count the freshmen, sophomore, and junior classes that are there, then add in the new incoming freshmen numbers that they have at that time and those are the projected numbers for that school. Every school fluxuates +/- 10 each year, if not more, so the numbers are as close as they can get at that time for the enrollment count. Not a perfect system, but one that needs to be used in order to get schools in the correct class before the fall season rolls around.


Nope. The April 1 enrollments are true enrollment figures. No projected numbers at all. Too many different feeder schools in some communities to even be close to accurate. Five years ago, I remember HA was projected to be under 600 by this time. The school's actually bigger than when I graduated in '13.

BaseFan14 wrote:If they use April 2016 numbers then the school enrollments listed here are not the correct ones. Some of the schools have less by April than in October from dropouts and moving schools etc.


This is the real flaw. October enrollments are more accurate. It'd be a fun project to cross reference enrollments with dropout rates and see if a school is reward with a higher dropout rate by dropping a class. If the classification committee starts meeting in October, and the DOE requires reports to be filed within two weeks of the October 1 data point, then there's no reason in the digital age (all hail MS Excel) for the process to use the most recent numbers.

The other issue with using April numbers, is by the second year of the cycle, the numbers are so outdated that only the seniors in the school (who were freshmen at the time of the count) are accounted for.

The numbers I listed are straight from the DOE website (save some of the private school numbers that never seem to be reported in a consistent fashion).
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Re: Classification

Postby bcbc55 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:05 pm

dunbar wrote:
lovethegame wrote:Incorrect. By this time most schools have the numbers for their incoming freshmen class. So you count the freshmen, sophomore, and junior classes that are there, then add in the new incoming freshmen numbers that they have at that time and those are the projected numbers for that school. Every school fluxuates +/- 10 each year, if not more, so the numbers are as close as they can get at that time for the enrollment count. Not a perfect system, but one that needs to be used in order to get schools in the correct class before the fall season rolls around.


Nope. The April 1 enrollments are true enrollment figures. No projected numbers at all. Too many different feeder schools in some communities to even be close to accurate. Five years ago, I remember HA was projected to be under 600 by this time. The school's actually bigger than when I graduated in '13.

BaseFan14 wrote:If they use April 2016 numbers then the school enrollments listed here are not the correct ones. Some of the schools have less by April than in October from dropouts and moving schools etc.


This is the real flaw. October enrollments are more accurate. It'd be a fun project to cross reference enrollments with dropout rates and see if a school is reward with a higher dropout rate by dropping a class. If the classification committee starts meeting in October, and the DOE requires reports to be filed within two weeks of the October 1 data point, then there's no reason in the digital age (all hail MS Excel) for the process to use the most recent numbers.

The other issue with using April numbers, is by the second year of the cycle, the numbers are so outdated that only the seniors in the school (who were freshmen at the time of the count) are accounted for.

The numbers I listed are straight from the DOE website (save some of the private school numbers that never seem to be reported in a consistent fashion).


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Re: Classification

Postby Tom Nolette » Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:22 am

Brewer athletic programs facing significant changes under latest MPA reclassification

...But one athletic program that will experience significant change is Brewer High School.

The Witches, perennial Class A participants in most activities, will move to Class B in boys and girls soccer, field hockey, baseball, softball, track and field, swimming and tennis beginning next fall.

With 659 students as of the classification cutoff date of April 1, 2016, Brewer fell just under the new Class A enrollment minimums that range from 660 to 675 for those sports. That means instead of being one of the smallest schools in Class A it now will be among the largest schools in Class B for at least the next two years.

http://bangordailynews.com/2017/04/04/s ... ification/
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Re: Classification

Postby BaseFan14 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:31 am

With Lawrence, Brewer, and WA going to B North that will create 21 teams in that region. Is there any talk of shuffling north and south to even up the amount of teams in each group?
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Re: Classification

Postby Tom Nolette » Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:16 am

MPA approves reclassification, tweaks co-op team enrollment rules

(WAGM) - The Maine Principals Association voted on the classification proposal and approved the new numbers for classification that will be effective in the fall.

http://www.wagmtv.com/content/sports/MP ... 72963.html
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