FISA Court & wiretaps?

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Re: FISA Court & wiretaps?

Postby hawksfan » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:16 pm

mainejeff wrote:
hawksfan wrote:How long do ya think it'll take Obama & his Rasputin, "I love Iran" Jarrett, to get the transcript of today's Trumpy/"Come one Come all" Merkel meeting...?


My god Obama is in your head. :| Get a grip!


Oh come on man! For the first 6 years of the seemingly 1000 year Obama presidency absolutely anything that went wrong it was Bush's fault...so the Right only gets 2 months when the roles are reversed?...that doesn't seem fair at all...
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Re: FISA Court & wiretaps?

Postby driveandive » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:17 pm

Obama was Bush's fault.
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Re: FISA Court & wiretaps?

Postby mainejeff » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:23 pm

Looks like Baby Trump has traded U.S. intellgence sources for Faux News sources.....which didn't exactly work out real well for him today. :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He also managed to piss off the British, made a fool of himself on a world stage in his meeting with Merkel, and has Republicans turning on him right & left with this wire tapping B.S. Quite a day! Thankfully for him....another golf weekend is here on the taxpayers dime. What a guy.....making hawksfan proud!
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Re: FISA Court & wiretaps?

Postby Mike Tomlin » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:10 pm

mainejeff wrote:Looks like Baby Trump has traded U.S. intellgence sources for Faux News sources.....which didn't exactly work out real well for him today. :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He also managed to piss off the British, made a fool of himself on a world stage in his meeting with Merkel, and has Republicans turning on him right & left with this wire tapping B.S. Quite a day! Thankfully for him....another golf weekend is here on the taxpayers dime. What a guy.....making hawksfan proud!


This is the slowest motion train wreck ever.
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Re: FISA Court & wiretaps?

Postby hawksfan » Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:25 am

mainejeff wrote:Looks like Baby Trump has traded U.S. intellgence sources for Faux News sources.....which didn't exactly work out real well for him today. :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He also managed to piss off the British, made a fool of himself on a world stage in his meeting with Merkel, and has Republicans turning on him right & left with this wire tapping B.S. Quite a day! Thankfully for him....another golf weekend is here on the taxpayers dime. What a guy.....making hawksfan proud!


How...be specific...did he "make a fool of himself on the worldstage" in his meeting with Frau Everyday is Ramadan?

Trumpy's wiretapping sources are equally as credible as all the hater's sources on the fake Russia "investigation". Y'all may way want to give that some thought.

He OWNS the resort MJ...since you had nary a word of complaint about our former president's predilection for $20k per day splendor your obsession on the matter is...fraudulent. Not to mention...he doesn't actually, you know, play golf while down there... (exception being with Shinzo Abe...doing business...while former President No Accomplishments played with...B-list celebrities...300+ times... :roll: )...
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Re: FISA Court & wiretaps?

Postby hawksfan » Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:28 am

driveandive wrote:Obama was Bush's fault.


Excellent point doubleD...
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Re: FISA Court & wiretaps?

Postby mainejeff » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:13 am

hawksfan wrote:
mainejeff wrote:Looks like Baby Trump has traded U.S. intellgence sources for Faux News sources.....which didn't exactly work out real well for him today. :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He also managed to piss off the British, made a fool of himself on a world stage in his meeting with Merkel, and has Republicans turning on him right & left with this wire tapping B.S. Quite a day! Thankfully for him....another golf weekend is here on the taxpayers dime. What a guy.....making hawksfan proud!


How...be specific...did he "make a fool of himself on the worldstage" in his meeting with Frau Everyday is Ramadan?

Trumpy's wiretapping sources are equally as credible as all the hater's sources on the fake Russia "investigation". Y'all may way want to give that some thought.

He OWNS the resort MJ...since you had nary a word of complaint about our former president's predilection for $20k per day splendor your obsession on the matter is...fraudulent. Not to mention...he doesn't actually, you know, play golf while down there... (exception being with Shinzo Abe...doing business...while former President No Accomplishments played with...B-list celebrities...300+ times... :roll: )...


You're like a Faux News parrot. We deserve a leader that shakes hands with another leader....our ally no less.....after she asks to shake his hand after their meeting.....not someone who ignores her & looks like he is making poopy pants.

On wire tapping.....you're just plain wrong & will have to get over it.

On travel....its well documented how much money Trump is spending and it's obscene.

Hawksfan.....please tell me you don't let your hate of everything Democrat/liberal dominate your thoughts and life. :| It sure seems that way.
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Re: FISA Court & wiretaps?

Postby Mike Tomlin » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:22 am

Okay Hawk. For the sake of argument let's assume that both stories are false. That wouldn't change your opinion of the MSM or democrats, right? You didn't trust them before all of this.

But how do you justify Trump's lies? If he's innocent of having any ties to Russia why isn't he simply moving forward with a conservative agenda and making it easier for his party to explain that agenda to the public? And why should we believe anything that he says if (by your own admission) he continues to bend over backwards to invent a conspiracy that doesn't exist?

Conservatives complained about the cost to taxpayers related to Obama's golf trips, or when Michelle went to Africa. Now we're subsidizing White House level security in Florida and NYC so that he can get away every weekend while his wife lives at Trump Tower. Who pays for the rooms at Mara Lago and Trump Tower that the White House staff and Secret Service use? We do, and who are we paying? He's created two new Camp Davids that serve as personal profit centers.

Conservatives said that Obama damaged our relationship with GB when he returned the Churchill bust. Trump just used a blatant lie to throw their intelligence under the bus.

Every day he goes out of his way to lie and create unnecessary chaos. And we are inching closer to a war on the Korean Peninsula. If that happens we're going to need a President we can trust.
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Re: FISA Court & wiretaps?

Postby hawksfan » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:52 am

mainejeff wrote:
hawksfan wrote:
mainejeff wrote:Looks like Baby Trump has traded U.S. intellgence sources for Faux News sources.....which didn't exactly work out real well for him today. :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He also managed to piss off the British, made a fool of himself on a world stage in his meeting with Merkel, and has Republicans turning on him right & left with this wire tapping B.S. Quite a day! Thankfully for him....another golf weekend is here on the taxpayers dime. What a guy.....making hawksfan proud!


How...be specific...did he "make a fool of himself on the worldstage" in his meeting with Frau Everyday is Ramadan?

Trumpy's wiretapping sources are equally as credible as all the hater's sources on the fake Russia "investigation". Y'all may way want to give that some thought.

He OWNS the resort MJ...since you had nary a word of complaint about our former president's predilection for $20k per day splendor your obsession on the matter is...fraudulent. Not to mention...he doesn't actually, you know, play golf while down there... (exception being with Shinzo Abe...doing business...while former President No Accomplishments played with...B-list celebrities...300+ times... :roll: )...


You're like a Faux News parrot. We deserve a leader that shakes hands with another leader....our ally no less.....after she asks to shake his hand after their meeting.....not someone who ignores her & looks like he is making poopy pants.

On wire tapping.....you're just plain wrong & will have to get over it.

On travel....its well documented how much money Trump is spending and it's obscene.

Hawksfan.....please tell me you don't let your hate of everything Democrat/liberal dominate your thoughts and life. :| It sure seems that way.


P#1..ok, I can see that, didn't know about the not shaking hands...(thats why I asked)...boorish & petulant to say the least.

P#2...I'm not wrong...my point all along has been that you all want it one way...the Russia fantasy is 100% accurate and self evidently true based on anonymous sources, the wire tapping of the Tower (also the result of anonymous sources) is 100% false because...we hate him. Thats bullsh** men. You get BOTH or you get NEITHER...at least until someone steps to the plate & is willing to put their name to any information they deliver. Either way...we KNOW nothing...that is the ONLY fact that this entire mess has been revealed...Comey & Pompeo testify before Congress Monday...maybe we'll finally get some objective truth...

P#3...I stand by my statement...I didn't defend the expenditures...I pointed out your hypocrisy...you didn't care a whit about Lord & Lady Obama's gratuitous consumption of tax dollars to fund their lifestyle...yet you're all atwitter about Trump's expenditures...hypocritical slop & you know it. Let me know when Trump exceeds Obama & at that point I'll be as exercised over it then as you are now.

P#4...not at all MJ...we are in the political forum afterall. 17+k posts from you, I bet a much higher percentage of those are about basketball vs politics...there's a topic right there where we could share a beer & have nary a word of contention. Lastly you apply the descriptive "democrat/liberal"...those that meet that criteria are regular people that are easy to talk to. Sadly for America that description no longer applies to the Democrat party. Based on who's in charge (Obama, Clinton, Schumer, Pelosi, Sanders, Warren, Perez, Ellison et al.)the more apt description is "social progressive Democrat". With an "SPD" governing philosophy there is no middle ground because what SPD's want is the antithesis of American values...a fully collective society. Socialism ends at the point of a gun, Communism begins at the point of a gun. I don't think you want that anymore than I do...
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Re: FISA Court & wiretaps?

Postby hawksfan » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:23 pm

Mike Tomlin wrote:Okay Hawk. For the sake of argument let's assume that both stories are false. That wouldn't change your opinion of the MSM or democrats, right? You didn't trust them before all of this.

But how do you justify Trump's lies? If he's innocent of having any ties to Russia why isn't he simply moving forward with a conservative agenda and making it easier for his party to explain that agenda to the public? And why should we believe anything that he says if (by your own admission) he continues to bend over backwards to invent a conspiracy that doesn't exist?

Conservatives complained about the cost to taxpayers related to Obama's golf trips, or when Michelle went to Africa. Now we're subsidizing White House level security in Florida and NYC so that he can get away every weekend while his wife lives at Trump Tower. Who pays for the rooms at Mara Lago and Trump Tower that the White House staff and Secret Service use? We do, and who are we paying? He's created two new Camp Davids that serve as personal profit centers.

Conservatives said that Obama damaged our relationship with GB when he returned the Churchill bust. Trump just used a blatant lie to throw their intelligence under the bus.

Every day he goes out of his way to lie and create unnecessary chaos. And we are inching closer to a war on the Korean Peninsula. If that happens we're going to need a President we can trust.


P#2..I justify nothing...nor I defend Trump per se. 90+% of what I've written since election day has been calling out what I view as blatant hypocrisy & a soul crushing double standard employed by the haters of Trump...in short, it has been unfair to the most extraordinary level I've ever seen. 24/7...DefCon 5...however, I'm under no illusions with regard to the black hearted ghouls in the DC Democrat's super pack...a "Bush 45" presidency would have been simmering along at DefCon 2 or 3 on a daily basis...& you know damn well thats true...

P#3...see my answer on this to MJ above...

P#4...I reject the phraseology "used a blatant lie"...he repeated an assertion made by Judge Napolitano...in my view there is a difference between the two. Fox should re-assess Napolitano's value to them. He's made quite a few assertions, pronouncements & declarations over the past couple of years that sound authoritative at first blush, yet don't pan out. Certainly Fox isn't backing him on this UK flap...time for him to go.

Forget the Churchill bust...how about Obama giving Putin schematics of the UK's newest nuke sub 7 years ago, as a sop to his cartoonish "Russia re-set" policy? Again, where were you, for 8 years, as Obama systematically went about undermining ally after ally while propping up dictator after dictator? Nowhere, yet now you're aggreived over a minor 1 or 2 news cycle dust-up with a UK intelligence service? Please...Trumpy & Theresa May are great friends; everythings fine.

P#5...nothing really here that we disagree on. Although I wouldn't characterize it as "going out of his way" which implies his end is that chaos with lying being the means. I'm viewing it more of..."thats Trumpy-World"...for good or ill, its how he does things...there is a TON of good things that he's done policy wise...STEAK...but you all are entranced with the sizzle i.e., stupid tweets, taking Fox to the bank, minor dustups with the ghouls, & sure, loose facts...we never get to the policies. There's also quite a bit of policy that makes me grind my teeth... $1T infrastructure, Ivanka's universal pre-K, his signing on to continued government meddling in healthcare after promising to drive a stake through OCare's vampiric heart... good grief...did we elect a Northeast liberal? Whoops!...at the best we elected a non-ideological hybrid...

War with the NORKS? ...god I hope not...We need Tillerson to be a superstar & we need Trumpy to green light an effort to hardball (diplomatically) the ChiComms into cleaning up THEIR mess...that lunatic regime needs to be put down like a rabid dog...but its gotta be done by the ChiComms...
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