Is it too soon to fire Barron

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Re: Is it too soon to fire Barron

Postby bcbc55 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:32 pm

hoopsisme wrote:Does anyone know if Irish had any interest in Maine? Long beach and sun ain't a bad place to be! Not sure we can say missed out.


"hoopsisme": Did Maine know about his availability? If they did, did they contact him?
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Re: Is it too soon to fire Barron

Postby bcbc55 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:41 pm

Mario: Whatever happens win loss wise, Richard Barron has a 5 year contract and Maine is not going to buy out 1 year let alone 2, 3 or 4 years. He's making too much money. At my age 81 I may not be here to see what happens in 5 years if he doesn't turn the program around because that is 2023.
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Re: Is it too soon to fire Barron

Postby mario_spaghettio » Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:33 pm

So if Barron doesn't turn the program around after his contract is up they'll hire another unproven coach and have to rebuild from scratch again? The new coach will also preach patience. :cry:
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Re: Is it too soon to fire Barron

Postby bcbc55 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:43 am

UMaineSuperfan wrote:It has been three games! What are you talking about? In Barron’s time as the women’s HC he won a regular season title with a team full of random euros (Gustafsson, Heise, Weckstrom, Charles, Koizar)...give it time and whine if they don’t make progress


"UMaineSuperFan": I agree with your post above. Last years regular season and tournament championship team for the Maine women had mostly international players.

But what is this "it has been three games the women have played 7 and the men 8.

Also, international players are making big inroads in the NBA over 25% of the 450 NBA players are international players. Fundamentally sounder, play more from the shoulders up, don't rely on athletic skills as much as US players, they rely on their basketball IQ's and usually are more coachable.

In fact, if JUCO players in the states were that good why aren't they at another D-1 school instead of at a JUCO. Also,m if they happen to be players who are good D-1 players they probably won't stay at UMaine as history as shown in the past year after year for both men's and women's programs.

Give Barron the 3 years to see of he can do with the men what the did with the women's program, where he went 17-15 after two years of 4 and 6 wins. Followed by 2 20 plus win seasons. Time and patience and neither come in a bottle.

Then if he doesn't do it in 3 years then it will be time for fans to whine, then that will be fine.
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Re: Is it too soon to fire Barron

Postby bcbc55 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:53 am

mario_spaghettio wrote:So if Barron doesn't turn the program around after his contract is up they'll hire another unproven coach and have to rebuild from scratch again? The new coach will also preach patience. :cry:


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"mario": Should have been opened the job up. Then it should never have been a 5 year contract it should have been a 3 year contract with no buyout if not rehired.

Who really gave the men's basketball program.... elevator, elevator they gave it the shaft.

My thinking is to Give Barron 3 years and if can't go at least 17-15 like he did with the women's program by the third year then it will be FINE to be the TIME to WHINE. Barron is taking over a men's program that is in as bad shape as the women's program was when he took that task on and did turn it around by the end of the third season on the job..
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Re: Is it too soon to fire Barron

Postby thebam » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:32 am

mario_spaghettio wrote:So if Barron doesn't turn the program around after his contract is up they'll hire another unproven coach and have to rebuild from scratch again? The new coach will also preach patience. :cry:

To say that Coach Barron is " unproven" is probably the most idiotic thing you have ever said, and you have that bar set pretty high. You should probably just quit while you are behind .
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Re: Is it too soon to fire Barron

Postby mario_spaghettio » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:17 pm

thebam wrote:
mario_spaghettio wrote:So if Barron doesn't turn the program around after his contract is up they'll hire another unproven coach and have to rebuild from scratch again? The new coach will also preach patience. :cry:

To say that Coach Barron is " unproven" is probably the most idiotic thing you have ever said, and you have that bar set pretty high. You should probably just quit while you are behind .
He is absolutely unproven. Coaching womens basketball is not the same as coaching men. Even as the womens coach he had a career losing record and it wasn't until he stepped away that they were able to make the NCAA tourney. He must have had some serious dirt on someone to get a 5 year deal.
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Re: Is it too soon to fire Barron

Postby bcbc55 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:01 pm

mario_spaghettio wrote:
thebam wrote:
mario_spaghettio wrote:So if Barron doesn't turn the program around after his contract is up they'll hire another unproven coach and have to rebuild from scratch again? The new coach will also preach patience. :cry:

To say that Coach Barron is " unproven" is probably the most idiotic thing you have ever said, and you have that bar set pretty high. You should probably just quit while you are behind .
He is absolutely unproven. Coaching womens basketball is not the same as coaching men. Even as the womens coach he had a career losing record and it wasn't until he stepped away that they were able to make the NCAA tourney. He must have had some serious dirt on someone to get a 5 year deal.[/q and there is a big difference in coaching D-1 and uote]

"mario": Would have to agree he is unproven as a men's college DC-1 coach and also agree there is a big difference coachinjg D-01 men and D-1 women. Even a big difference in coaching high school boys and girls.

Girls are more coachable
Have less ego
Better teammates
Want to please more
care what other people think
don't celebrate good individual plays as much
more disciplined


I ran co-ed basketball shooting camps and gave co-ed individual shooting lessons and always easier to get the girls to be more successful.

Also officiated college men's and women's and boy's and girl's high school games and much easier to ref the women's/girl's games as they complained less and were more helpful getting the ball and saying thank you when you handed them the ball for throw ins and after receiving ball off the bounce for a foul shot.

Just my reactions and thinking after coaching and officiating both mens-womens and boys-girls..
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Re: Is it too soon to fire Barron

Postby MaineBBFan99 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:36 pm

mario_spaghettio wrote:
thebam wrote:
mario_spaghettio wrote:So if Barron doesn't turn the program around after his contract is up they'll hire another unproven coach and have to rebuild from scratch again? The new coach will also preach patience. :cry:

To say that Coach Barron is " unproven" is probably the most idiotic thing you have ever said, and you have that bar set pretty high. You should probably just quit while you are behind .
He is absolutely unproven. Coaching womens basketball is not the same as coaching men. Even as the womens coach he had a career losing record and it wasn't until he stepped away that they were able to make the NCAA tourney. He must have had some serious dirt on someone to get a 5 year deal.


Come on, man. There is no question that Coach Vachon has done an outstanding job taking over the women's program. I know you're a grade A troll, but to suggest that Barron wasn't instrumental in turning the program around and getting it to the point where an NCAA berth was possible is ridiculous.

The fact that he had a losing record with the women's team is a completely misleading stat. You know full well it takes time, at least a year or two, to turn a program around that was in the state that Maine was in the late 2000's.
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Re: Is it too soon to fire Barron

Postby basketball_guy » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:15 am

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I think Barron wanted to start with a clean slate...and it does take time. That said I would think they could win
a few games this season...I don't get it honestly why this program has come down to this level. I would think Maine should be a fairly decent job for any Coach. It was in tough shape when Walsh took over. Barron certainly had time to analyze the situation enough last year while being out of coaching but being retained by the AD.

With all the Prep School talent in New England (not counting Lee Academy) which seems to be a pipeline to UMAINE, their is plenty of Talented players in New England. These guys should need to start pulling out a few games to start showing they are turning things around a bit.
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