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Re: Moss

Postby fromthebench » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:44 pm

Two I like that need a redshirt year or prep are John Kane at Greely and Finn Bowe at Cape. At this point they would be preferred walk-on type players at Maine but I see upside.

Kane: A 6'8" center who isn't done growing (I've met his parents) Kane sprouted up three inches this year and was a major reason Greely has won two straight Gold Balls in Class A. He's long and has great hands around the basket. He may end up being 6'10" 250 when all is said and done. Needs a year to finish growing into that frame. You can't teach his height, reach and soft hands.

Bowe: A 6'4" combo guard missed his junior year due to injury and still isn't 100% in terms of fitness and strength. He's a deadeye from the three point line with a Cindy Blodgett/over the head release that's hard to block. Great passer and facilitator with excellent court vision and a high Basketball IQ.
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Re: Moss

Postby Blind Zebra » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:41 pm

Kane is a nice looking player. He has soft hands and a good touch around the basket. The program says he is headed to Farmington to play basketball. Bowe didn't stand out to me in this exhibition.
Will be interesting to see where Godfrey and Marseille end up? They both have good athleticism. Godfrey is an excellent leaper when he gets a head of steam. He could really thrive in an uptempo system.
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Re: Moss

Postby fromthebench » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:26 am

That's a good pickup for Farmington. They've got great guards and wings, now that they've added rim protection and a low post scoring option they might make a run next year. :)

Bowe still isn't back to what he was before the injury, he should still end up playing somewhere. :)
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Re: Moss

Postby umaine67 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:15 am

Did Moss have any other Division 1 offers?
Is that not a little bit of a red flag?
Isn't it time to stop being so provincial and only be hyped by players from Maine, a state that really produces very little Division 1 talent?
Has anyone seen Moss play.
I have, twice. Very small, not overly quick. He looked like a good Division 2 player to me.
Have to wonder how many times our new coach has seen him play.
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Re: Moss

Postby Muchups » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:11 am

umaine67 wrote:Did Moss have any other Division 1 offers?
Is that not a little bit of a red flag?
Isn't it time to stop being so provincial and only be hyped by players from Maine, a state that really produces very little Division 1 talent?
Has anyone seen Moss play.
I have, twice. Very small, not overly quick. He looked like a good Division 2 player to me.
Have to wonder how many times our new coach has seen him play.


Moss is better than any point guard that UMaine has had in the last few years. He is small (around 5'10" and probably 160-170lbs) but he is very quick (again more quickness than Maine has had at the point in years) and has all the intangibles. I have no doubt he'll be very good at Maine.

I understand the provincial comment (and some here certainly are) but my contention that UMaine should look in state first has nothing to do with provincialism. Instead its about building the program. For too long UMaine has recruited 2nd-tier NY, NJ, PA etc. talent when there are better players at home.

Disagree? Just look at the results. Maine is without a doubt one of the top 20 WORST D-1 men's programs. It's unacceptable and a shame really.

Anyway, good signing.
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Re: Moss

Postby umaine67 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:08 am

Could not agree more that it's about "building a program."
As someone who actually works at the university (plus, some basketball "experience"), I have a real vested personal interest and pride in our program.
If there are Maine-bred players capable of transforming our program, then I'm all for it.
But, I've seen this debate in this forum before, mostly "championed" by the guy who time has passed by.
There just aren't enough players produced in our state to do it.
I question whether Moss is one. I hope he is. But, he's tiny. And, if you've actually seen him play in person (I have), he's not overly quick. He's got a questionable shot. He's not a good defender.
Those are reasons that no other Division 1 program, to my knowledge, made an offer to him.
Yes, it's not enjoyable to see how low Maine is in the world of college basketball.
But, there are also considerable handicaps here, some of which coach Walsh spoke about upon his departure: the program is hugely underfunded and that's not going to change. The finances limit recruiting, it means the school can't spend the necessary money to attract a head coach. Who knows if Barron can coach men's basketball/recruit for men's basketball. But, his hiring is entirely predicated on finances. The school would have had to continue paying him to work in the athletic department. Now, it still pays him but doesn't also have to bring in someone else to be the head coach.
It also hurts the quality of assistant coaches that come in, since they are among the lowest-paid assistants in the country.
It means Maine has to play at least three guarantee games annually, games in which it gets thumped. Does that help the team's quality of play? Probably not.
None of that will change without better funding, and that's not going to happen.
The other thing, and it's a big one and has been mentioned here in the past from what I've seen, is location. Not a lot of good basketball players from elsewhere want to relocate in our semi-isolated/winter-heavy area.
I actually likes living up here, but that's what I've always had. It's what I know best.
So, is the solution to bring in players from our state who are accustomed to all of that?
It would be, if only there were quality players being produced here.
Unfortunately, there aren't. It's the proverbial Catch 22.
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Re: Moss

Postby umaine67 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:15 pm

A little research: According to the website "verbal commits," which is one of the best internet sources for recruiting information: Moss' only other connection was with Division 2 New Haven, and interest from New Haven was qualified as "medium."
Recruiting, though, is an inexact science. There have been cases of overlooked players having solid college careers.
Let's hope this is one.
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Re: Moss

Postby fromthebench » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:20 pm

I trust Barron on this one. He brought in great recruits for the women and has worked at top notch programs all over the country. My prediction: Next year 10-12 wins, then three years of 15-20 wins and a shot at the conference championship. Point guard is the most important position and Moss is the best we've had since Bedard. He will exceed expectations and drive away the trolls! :)
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Re: Moss

Postby umaine67 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:25 pm

Hope you're right.
But, here's a coach who hasn't coached a men's team in 22 years, and that team was a Division 3 program where there are no scholarship players.
Then, his first recruit is a Maine-based player who had no interest other than from a mediocre Division 2-level program.
Willing, though, to wait and see results before any definitive judgment.
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Re: Moss

Postby Tom Nolette » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:26 am

umaine67 wrote:Did Moss have any other Division 1 offers?
Is that not a little bit of a red flag?
Isn't it time to stop being so provincial and only be hyped by players from Maine, a state that really produces very little Division 1 talent?
Has anyone seen Moss play.
I have, twice. Very small, not overly quick. He looked like a good Division 2 player to me.
Have to wonder how many times our new coach has seen him play.


umaine67.. you realize Mainers are under recruited ..mainly due to the day in and day out competition of Maine HS basketball is weak... College coaches are always leary when they don't see kids on the circuit all the time, playing the best competition day in and day out .. Often times, Mainers show their worth, but coaches follow whatever path they have established and not willing to pull the trigger,.. Just how market works which is why many of us pushed D2 in NE for Maine kids..

Look at some pretty good UMainers who never had other D1 offers .. Troy Barnies, Jr. Bernal ,Joe Campbell, Ricky White are a few that come to mind

Andrew Fleming had no D1 offers either .. He was pegged as a D2 kid mostly due to his size.. at 6'8, he's a mid-to high.. at 6'5 he's an undersized 4 at d1 .. He's shown the ability to compete and play at this level..

Now young Fleming 2019, offered by Maine has a d2 offer only.. His skills set puts him as a much higher level prospect imo. but questions will remain about his strength, quickness, ability to defend, score etc .. IMO , he is a similar player to Bryant Barr ( Falmouth) , perhaps better upside, who played at Davidson

Don't be fooled by the coaches who are afraid to lose their jobs .. Most rather go after someone they can't get then finding their own path to players..

I'd like to see Maine's best players recruited to play at Maine while trying to bring in best talent nationally / internationally .. BUT we shouldn't downgrade Mainers just because not a variety of offers ..

If Maine plays it right, then maybe we can get the next Knight, Mayo Markwood, Medley, Mims ..
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