And the Winner is??

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Re: And the Winner is??

Postby Maine19Fan » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:11 pm

OK, 55. You can take parquet off the list.
I agree with him. When the likes of Cross, etc., played in AE ... and, Reggie Lewis in the league's previous life as the NAC ... it was a different world.

Yes, players have come from this level and went on to, at least, a cup of coffee (for the most part, other than Lewis) in the NBA. But, it is extremely rare for it to happen now. Players are more aware of their respective potentials and, if it MIGHT include a professional future, that they need to play against higher-level competition.
Two best players in the AE in many years, Coppenrath and Warney. And, neither one got even a sniff.

Yes, AE is definitely a shell of what it once was. Has to be when you lose schools like Northeastern, Hofstra, Delaware, Drexel, BU, etc.
Many thanks for proving my point. The AE, over the past two decades, just doesn't get future pros. And, probably, never will again barring an absolute freak occurrence.

As for hoopsisme: Did you want, back then and do you want now Maine to take Prop 48's and the equivalent? Is basketball that all important that you want our school to start taking athletes who really don't qualify academically?

I certainly don't. If you're going to have a basketball program, do it the right way.
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Re: And the Winner is??

Postby hoopsisme » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:57 pm

The prop 48s covered alot of different things. A player could have had dyslexia, which now is dealt with quicker and made much better . Certainly there were the Lloyd Daniels of the world who had zero business being in school but many got painted with a wide brush. No doubt there were and still are some renegades . But if the education can set them for life even without being an athlete who gets paid, it beats the hell out of turning our backs and them not making it. There are high schools all over the country who just pass kids through. Not the kids fault. Systems fault. I am not saying that all belong in college either.
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Re: And the Winner is??

Postby Blind Zebra » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:46 pm

A couple of other former AE players who made the NBA:
JJ Barea- Northeastern (still active)
John Holland- BU (still active, I believe a two way contract guy)
Norman Richardson- Hofstra

Another thing about La Plante, he had 2 Ndiaye's in the fold if he would've been named head coach. Ndongo was a 7'2 shot blocker who ended up at Delaware by way of Providence. They may havehad a pipeline of players that followed. Giannini was a helluva coach and recruiter though. Very smart approach bringing in high major transfers who found limited playing time. He brought in some questionable kids at times (Huggy Dye, Marcus Wills etc) but he knew how to win.
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Re: And the Winner is??

Postby bcbc55 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:19 pm

Blind Zebra wrote:A couple of other former AE players who made the NBA:
JJ Barea- Northeastern (still active)
John Holland- BU (still active, I believe a two way contract guy)
Norman Richardson- Hofstra

Another thing about La Plante, he had 2 Ndiaye's in the fold if he would've been named head coach. Ndongo was a 7'2 shot blocker who ended up at Delaware by way of Providence. They may havehad a pipeline of players that followed. Giannini was a helluva coach and recruiter though. Very smart approach bringing in high major transfers who found limited playing time. He brought in some questionable kids at times (Huggy Dye, Marcus Wills etc) but he knew how to win.


BZ: Everything you say is correct and true. Maine missed the boat when they did not hire Mike LaPlante after Skip Chappelle got done in 1988. Things went down some in the next 8 years until Dr. John G. came in for the next 8 years. However, Dr. John did have the best career winning percentage 52.9 but only had 4 winning seasons out of 8 seasons. Brian McCall in 10 years in the 60's was the second in winning percentage with 51.6 for 10 years and had 5 winning seasons. Skip Chappelle using Maine kids for 17 years had 10 winning seasons the most in Maine history out of 17 years and was third in winning percentage at 48.9%. Under Rudy Kneeling Maine had only 3 winning seasons out of 8 his winning percentage was 43.9%.

After Dr. John left things went down hill under Ted Woodward from 2004 to 2014 as Maine only had a couple of winning seasons in 10 years and his winning percentage was 39.7%. Woodward has the last winning season in 2009-10 went 19-10 wih 3 Maine starters and would have been 5 Maine starters if 2 Mainers had not left the team one as a junior and 1 as a sophomore.

Now the past 3 plus years is the worst 3 plus year period since the 50's as they are 21-85 19.8% against all competition and just 13-85 vs. D-1 competition 13.3%.

Something has got to be done or things will just keep getting wore.

Enjoyed your informative, timely, interesting and relative post.
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Re: And the Winner is??

Postby Maine19Fan » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:39 pm

bcbc55: Do you even consider anything you post before you hit the submit button?

How about this: "Maine missed the boat when they did not hire Mike LaPlante after Skip Chappelle got done n 1988."

What did you want LePlante to be... a player coach?

Do you even realize that when Chappelle got done after the 1987-88 season LaPlante was still a playing member on the team (through the 1988-89 season)?

Just amazing!
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Re: And the Winner is??

Postby hoopsisme » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:15 am

Rudy Keeling had some good years vs some really good BU and Northeastern teams. It was when Rudy moved on that Laplante was bypassed. And yes there was Ndongo Ndiaye who went to Delaware in all likelihood been a black bear as well. He never got to the level Mamadou did but he was over 7'. Mike was well liked, great personality and seemed to have a way with relating to players.
I am certain the next few weeks will be interesting.
Anxious to see conference play. Stony Brook and that enormous front line, Albany, UVM, etc. Time for the real tests
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Re: And the Winner is??

Postby thebam » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:47 am

The 2 best players from America East all time are Speedy Claxton and Malik Rose. Both had lengthy NBA careers as well ( 8 and 15 years) . Maine has never had a Player of the Year in the America East Conference. So, as devoid of talent as this team is right now, perhaps this program has never really had any impact players at all. An infinity of never good enough and never winning anything. One could argue, the absolute worst program in NCAA basketball history.
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Re: And the Winner is??

Postby Maine19Fan » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:50 am

hoopsisme; More 20-20 hindsight about LePlante that couldn't have happened.

When Keeling left, LePlante was just 29 years old and his only experience was as the No. 2 assistant on Maine's staff. He wasn't even close to being a candidate.

How many 29 year olds, who never even served as a staff's primary assistant, step into a head coach's position at the Division 1 level?

At least you weren't as foolish with this contention as bcbc55 was when heh wrote that LePlante ... WHEN HE WAS STILL PLAYING AT MAINE! ... should have replaced Chappelle.

A couple of questions, considering LePlante's "connection" to Senegal basketball...
- How many players from that country did he successfully bring to UMaine, and did any of them have any impact?
- How many, when he was head coach at Jacksonville State, did he get to go to school there?
- Considering that Jacksonville State gives a lot more resources to basketball than Maine ... and, that LePlante had just two winning records in eight seasons there ... what about that indicates he would have had any success at Maine?

Thanks, in advance, for your answers.

By the way, bcbc55 can't even get the records of past Maine coaches correct. Keeling's record was 106-122, that's a 46.2% winning percentage, not 43.9%, as bcbc55 contends.
Maybe it's time that bcbc55 comes into the modern era and uses a calculator than trying to count on his fingers!
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Re: And the Winner is??

Postby Maine19Fan » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:55 am

To thebam: Yes, you could make a case that Maine has the worse D1 program in the nation.

So, what's the answer?
Should we bring in 8-to-12 players from Maine over a four-year span when it's pretty clear our state rarely produces D1 level players?

Or should we think outside the box and do a variety of things?
Some potential solutions:
- Bring in players from anywhere... from any state, from overseas, as transers, as grad-school transfers.
- Put a little more money into the program. Pay a head coach a reasonable and competitive salary to attract better candidates and pay assistants a competitive salary. These points, though, probably won't happen considering the U's financial difficulties.
Maybe we can get basketball_guy on this. Maybe his 12 former JV players will come up with big bucks!

Not even sure if those points would help. On top of everything else, Maine's location in the hinterlands with its brutal winters, etc., isn't exactly attractive to recruits no matter where they're from.

Wish I had the answers. Does anyone?
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Re: And the Winner is??

Postby mainejeff » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:00 am

This sh*t is so boring. :roll:
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