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Its that time of year again

Postby basketball_guy » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:21 pm

https://hoopdirt.com/breaking-unc-charl ... mark-price

Lets talk about Maine football recruiting for a change....
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Re: Its that time of year again

Postby basketball_guy » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:24 pm

https://hoopdirt.com/central-connecticut-state-dirt/

I think Maine plays these guys in a few weeks
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Re: Its that time of year again

Postby imposter » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:22 am

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Re: Its that time of year again

Postby basketball_guy » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:34 am

I agree but he did better than our Coach....
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Re: Its that time of year again

Postby basketball_guy » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:45 am

If one reads anything into this, other schools move on when they think a change has got to be
made. I just wonder if Maine did make a change in the middle of the season
if Coach Bob Simon
1) Could he turn the situation around by the end of the current season?
2) Could he do a better job of recruiting and continue stability being at the helm?
3) Would Maine make a change in the middle of the season like UNCC has done?

Whether Maine would make a move in the middle of the season is the most important question.

The Morning Dish – Friday, December 15, 2017
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It’s been a long time-way too long-since UNC Charlotte made some noise on the national college basketball scene. Pretty much everyone would’ve rather the 49ers made their return in a different way than they did Thursday, though.

In just over a month of the 2017-18 college basketball season, we’ve already seen three coaching changes, and the latest came Thursday as Charlotte released former NBA star and noted good guy Mark Price after a 3-6 start to the season. The 49ers have lost four straight games, the last three including defeats at James Madison and Tennessee-Chattanooga teams picked near the bottom of their leagues, sandwiched around a 23-point loss to Wake Forest at home, and athletic director Judy Rose decided to pull the plug just 72 games into his coaching tenure.

The change was a stunner. In terrific reporting by David Scott of the Charlotte Observer, Price referred to it as an “awfully quick hook,” and considering he received just over 2 1/4 seasons before being let go, he’s right. Meanwhile, Rose commented that she believed Price had “lost his players.” Former Appalachian State coach Houston Fancher will take over the team on an interim basis for the remainder of the season, and already the fallout from the firing includes reports that Mark Price’s son Hudson-the 49ers’ No. 2 scorer and leading rebounder-is leaving the team, too.

Frustration with the Charlotte athletics program had been coming to a boiling point already of late, with the fledgling 49ers football team finishing a 1-11 season and Rose announcing that head coach Brad Lambert will return. The move to punt Price after keeping Lambert on board with a 17-41 record through five years was bound to fire up those already frustrated with 49er athletics.

From working in college athletics for over 10 years now, can tell anyone from observational experience that there are times when quick coaching changes are justified. As much as most anyone’s-including administrators’-ideal is that coaches be given a certain amount of time or that changes take place at a time optimal for student-athletes, the truth is sometimes a change is best made immediately to cut losses, before a bad situation gets worse.

Whether that was the case at Charlotte is something only those on the inside can answer. The answers from Rose in the Observer story aren’t exactly satisfying. To say a team is not meeting expectations when it loses to the likes of James Madison and Chattanooga is 100% fair game. To claim that a coach has lost the team because it’s not playing well is entirely another matter, and a significant charge that one better have more than circumstantial evidence for.

Rose is a longtime veteran administrator, with more than 40 years of experience in college athletics, including over 25 as the A.D. at UNCC. She was the first woman named to the NCAA Men’s Basketball Committee, better known as the NCAA Tournament selection committee. To suggest she’s not qualified for her job-as some did yesterday-is laughable, though probably not surprising in the sphere of passionate collegiate sports fans.

That doesn’t mean letting Price go was the right move, or even an easily defensible one. Unless there was a very good reason-and it’s possible no one may ever know even if there is-then the view here is Price deserved to at least finish out the year.

The fall of the Charlotte hoops program has mirrored that of a number of others currently in Conference USA, a league where once-prominent basketball programs now seem to go to slumber. The 49ers were a contender in C-USA’s early incarnation, regularly competing with the likes of Cincinnati, Louisville, Marquette and Memphis and making eight NCAA Tournament trips from 1995-2005. Their 1998 NCAA second round tourney contest against North Carolina was among of the most memorable of that decade, with 49er guard Diego Guevera famously blowing kisses to his wife in the stands every time he made a three-pointer in a classic overtime game.

All of those schools eventually left C-USA and UNCC did, too, heading off to the Atlantic 10. It has never been the same since. The 49ers haven’t been back to the NCAAs since and rarely have been close. Six of the last 10 years have had losing records. Not even a return to Conference USA has helped.

Charlotte is hardly the only program in the league now that isn’t what it used to be. Old Dominion, UAB, UTEP and Western Kentucky also were once well-known for their hoops, yet have slipped to a level where at-large bids are a rarity. (Not coincidentally, ODU, UAB, WKU and UNCC all were once members of the Sun Belt Conference in the 1980s, back when it was among the premier basketball-first leagues in the country.)

There are plenty of factors influencing that now, a number of them out of their control, but in general a league with so many basketball schools with such tradition should be vastly better than C-USA has been in recent years. Of course, Charlotte’s move back to C-USA was driven by football, and it’s a common thread in all three schools with changes early this year.

UTEP (where Tim Floyd retired), East Carolina (Jeff Lebo resigned) and Charlotte are all part of the current back end of NCAA Division I-A, a.k.a. the Bowl Championship Subdivision, and schools at that level have regularly been putting all their eggs in the football basket, dreaming of a golden ticket to one of the five TV Conferences. At almost all of them, basketball has become a distant second in recent years to buying lottery tickets dreaming of a (highly unlikely) football-based promotion to a bigger conference someday, whether they’d admit it or not.

There’s nothing wrong with sponsoring football, and football didn’t get the 49ers into this mess. At some point, though, schools like UNC Charlotte are going to have to take a hard look at if they’re sacrificing high-profile basketball programs for the pipe dream of football riches, and if so, what are they going to do about it.

The success of a league like the Big East shows just what schools can do when they put their minds to basketball. There’s no reason why a hoops-first conference couldn’t excel in the South, too. At this point, though, it’s hard not to think Charlotte and schools like it are only getting out of it what they put into it, and it’s doubtful more coaching turnover will do anything to change that.
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Re: Its that time of year again

Postby bcbc55 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:25 pm

basketball_guy wrote:If one reads anything into this, other schools move on when they think a change has got to be
made. I just wonder if Maine did make a change in the middle of the season
if Coach Bob Simon
1) Could he turn the situation around by the end of the current season?
2) Could he do a better job of recruiting and continue stability being at the helm?
3) Would Maine make a change in the middle of the season like UNCC has done?

Whether Maine would make a move in the middle of the season is the most important question.

The Morning Dish – Friday, December 15, 2017
December 15, 2017 The Morning Dish No Comments

It’s been a long time-way too long-since UNC Charlotte made some noise on the national college basketball scene. Pretty much everyone would’ve rather the 49ers made their return in a different way than they did Thursday, though.

In just over a month of the 2017-18 college basketball season, we’ve already seen three coaching changes, and the latest came Thursday as Charlotte released former NBA star and noted good guy Mark Price after a 3-6 start to the season. The 49ers have lost four straight games, the last three including defeats at James Madison and Tennessee-Chattanooga teams picked near the bottom of their leagues, sandwiched around a 23-point loss to Wake Forest at home, and athletic director Judy Rose decided to pull the plug just 72 games into his coaching tenure.

The change was a stunner. In terrific reporting by David Scott of the Charlotte Observer, Price referred to it as an “awfully quick hook,” and considering he received just over 2 1/4 seasons before being let go, he’s right. Meanwhile, Rose commented that she believed Price had “lost his players.” Former Appalachian State coach Houston Fancher will take over the team on an interim basis for the remainder of the season, and already the fallout from the firing includes reports that Mark Price’s son Hudson-the 49ers’ No. 2 scorer and leading rebounder-is leaving the team, too.

Frustration with the Charlotte athletics program had been coming to a boiling point already of late, with the fledgling 49ers football team finishing a 1-11 season and Rose announcing that head coach Brad Lambert will return. The move to punt Price after keeping Lambert on board with a 17-41 record through five years was bound to fire up those already frustrated with 49er athletics.

From working in college athletics for over 10 years now, can tell anyone from observational experience that there are times when quick coaching changes are justified. As much as most anyone’s-including administrators’-ideal is that coaches be given a certain amount of time or that changes take place at a time optimal for student-athletes, the truth is sometimes a change is best made immediately to cut losses, before a bad situation gets worse.

Whether that was the case at Charlotte is something only those on the inside can answer. The answers from Rose in the Observer story aren’t exactly satisfying. To say a team is not meeting expectations when it loses to the likes of James Madison and Chattanooga is 100% fair game. To claim that a coach has lost the team because it’s not playing well is entirely another matter, and a significant charge that one better have more than circumstantial evidence for.

Rose is a longtime veteran administrator, with more than 40 years of experience in college athletics, including over 25 as the A.D. at UNCC. She was the first woman named to the NCAA Men’s Basketball Committee, better known as the NCAA Tournament selection committee. To suggest she’s not qualified for her job-as some did yesterday-is laughable, though probably not surprising in the sphere of passionate collegiate sports fans.

That doesn’t mean letting Price go was the right move, or even an easily defensible one. Unless there was a very good reason-and it’s possible no one may ever know even if there is-then the view here is Price deserved to at least finish out the year.

The fall of the Charlotte hoops program has mirrored that of a number of others currently in Conference USA, a league where once-prominent basketball programs now seem to go to slumber. The 49ers were a contender in C-USA’s early incarnation, regularly competing with the likes of Cincinnati, Louisville, Marquette and Memphis and making eight NCAA Tournament trips from 1995-2005. Their 1998 NCAA second round tourney contest against North Carolina was among of the most memorable of that decade, with 49er guard Diego Guevera famously blowing kisses to his wife in the stands every time he made a three-pointer in a classic overtime game.

All of those schools eventually left C-USA and UNCC did, too, heading off to the Atlantic 10. It has never been the same since. The 49ers haven’t been back to the NCAAs since and rarely have been close. Six of the last 10 years have had losing records. Not even a return to Conference USA has helped.

Charlotte is hardly the only program in the league now that isn’t what it used to be. Old Dominion, UAB, UTEP and Western Kentucky also were once well-known for their hoops, yet have slipped to a level where at-large bids are a rarity. (Not coincidentally, ODU, UAB, WKU and UNCC all were once members of the Sun Belt Conference in the 1980s, back when it was among the premier basketball-first leagues in the country.)

There are plenty of factors influencing that now, a number of them out of their control, but in general a league with so many basketball schools with such tradition should be vastly better than C-USA has been in recent years. Of course, Charlotte’s move back to C-USA was driven by football, and it’s a common thread in all three schools with changes early this year.

UTEP (where Tim Floyd retired), East Carolina (Jeff Lebo resigned) and Charlotte are all part of the current back end of NCAA Division I-A, a.k.a. the Bowl Championship Subdivision, and schools at that level have regularly been putting all their eggs in the football basket, dreaming of a golden ticket to one of the five TV Conferences. At almost all of them, basketball has become a distant second in recent years to buying lottery tickets dreaming of a (highly unlikely) football-based promotion to a bigger conference someday, whether they’d admit it or not.

There’s nothing wrong with sponsoring football, and football didn’t get the 49ers into this mess. At some point, though, schools like UNC Charlotte are going to have to take a hard look at if they’re sacrificing high-profile basketball programs for the pipe dream of football riches, and if so, what are they going to do about it.

The success of a league like the Big East shows just what schools can do when they put their minds to basketball. There’s no reason why a hoops-first conference couldn’t excel in the South, too. At this point, though, it’s hard not to think Charlotte and schools like it are only getting out of it what they put into it, and it’s doubtful more coaching turnover will do anything to change that.


basketball_guy: Thanks for posting that very timely, interesting, informative, relative and great post.

On a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the highest I would have to give it rating of NINE.......................TEEN.
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Re: Its that time of year again

Postby thebam » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:27 pm

The glaring nonsense is that football " riches" are a pipedream. With few exceptions, football is the cash cow on campus all around the country. If you are successful at football, you get more revenue to support these basketball programs that have " pipedreams" of winning the ncaa championship.
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Re: Its that time of year again

Postby basketball_guy » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:00 pm

As you can tell I have tried to stay away from the football issue this time, although I like
the recruits I see for next year.

Sometime in the near future I am afraid we are going to read of UMAINE looking for another Basketball Coach
and it is not the fans or the Coaches who suffer in that case as it is the players on the team.

For that reason I think we should wish all the UMAINE team members a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Because it will their lives that get disrupted when a Coaching change takes place.
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Re: Its that time of year again

Postby Maine19Fan » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:45 pm

How do players suffer in a coaching change?
They all retain their scholarships.
The coaches are the ones who suffer: They lose their jobs.
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Re: Its that time of year again

Postby bcbc55 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:05 pm

Maine19Fan wrote:How do players suffer in a coaching change?
They all retain their scholarships.
The coaches are the ones who suffer: They lose their jobs.


19: They do not know how they fit into the new coaches plans, they have to sit out a year if they transfer to the school the coach who recruited them went too (poor rule they should be eligible right away) the coach can coach right away), there scholarship is only for one year, they know none of the incoming coaching staff, they knew the ones that moved on. Not knowing is a mental form of suffering.
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