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Re: MACK sneak attack

Postby Blind Zebra » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:58 am

This story doesn't make any sense. Josh Mack was a true freshman last year. 9 times out of 10, true freshmen are red shirts. He was lucky to see the field. Parents too often have unrealistic expectations for their kids. Mack is a talent, but you have to earn your spot. If you break team rules, then you have to pay the consequence, i.e. you might not start if you are late or miss practice. Maine is the perfect place for Mack. He made progress, added strength and was given the lion share of the carries this season. FCS All-American. Where is he going to go and be guaranteed that type of success? Dad will really be upset if he transfers and ends up in a 3 back rotation or worse, 4th on the depth chart at an FBS school. I hope he stays. I've enjoyed watching him.
I'm sure this coaching staff has made their share of mistakes over the last two years. Joe H. seems like a smart guy, who will self evaluate, learn and grow. Those of you crushing the staff for these last two seasons, have an axe to grind or haven't closely followed this team. Ambosie did a good job recruiting, but his coaching tactics revolved around dumping on his players. No coincidence that Maine didn't block a soul his last 2 years as online coach. Picucci has righted the ship there. As far as the strength coach, Marcus Wasilewski is now at Minnesota. He took a better job, he didn't just quit.
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Re: MACK sneak attack

Postby thebam » Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:28 pm

Bashing the coaching staff is fun and easy , but the reality is Maine was a missed XP and a knocked down hail mary from being 6-4 and 4th place in the best conference in the country, with a Freshman QB. The program is trending in the right direction.
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Re: MACK sneak attack

Postby MattyB » Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:48 pm

Blind Zebra wrote:This story doesn't make any sense. Josh Mack was a true freshman last year. 9 times out of 10, true freshmen are red shirts. He was lucky to see the field. Parents too often have unrealistic expectations for their kids. Mack is a talent, but you have to earn your spot. If you break team rules, then you have to pay the consequence, i.e. you might not start if you are late or miss practice. Maine is the perfect place for Mack. He made progress, added strength and was given the lion share of the carries this season. FCS All-American. Where is he going to go and be guaranteed that type of success? Dad will really be upset if he transfers and ends up in a 3 back rotation or worse, 4th on the depth chart at an FBS school. I hope he stays. I've enjoyed watching him.
I'm sure this coaching staff has made their share of mistakes over the last two years. Joe H. seems like a smart guy, who will self evaluate, learn and grow. Those of you crushing the staff for these last two seasons, have an axe to grind or haven't closely followed this team. Ambosie did a good job recruiting, but his coaching tactics revolved around dumping on his players. No coincidence that Maine didn't block a soul his last 2 years as online coach. Picucci has righted the ship there. As far as the strength coach, Marcus Wasilewski is now at Minnesota. He took a better job, he didn't just quit.


That was my initial thought, as well.
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Re: MACK sneak attack

Postby TAL1957 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:29 pm

thebam wrote:Bashing the coaching staff is fun and easy , but the reality is Maine was a missed XP and a knocked down hail mary from being 6-4 and 4th place in the best conference in the country, with a Freshman QB. The program is trending in the right direction.
Badda Bing, ..... Badda BOOM !!!

UMaine Football doing well given what it is, and J.Mack taking on a better job somewhere else, especially if he and his Dad don't like UMaine, is AOK !!!
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Re: MACK sneak attack

Postby wmtwsportsprod » Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:06 pm

fafan wrote:I was trying to think of football players have left UMaine for greener pastures and really could not think of anyone in recent times, or at least that had any luck playing for another school at Maine's level or higher.

There was the LB in the 80's or 90's who went onto USC whose dad was an NFL player. This is one area that shows how tight the program is as there are very few players who transfer for greener pastures.


you are referring to Lofa Tatupu (son of former patriot)...left maine was all american at usc then played with seahawks for a few years
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Re: MACK sneak attack

Postby bcbc55 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:05 pm

Inexperience football coaching staff? What about an inexperienced athletic director and inexperienced assistants and their hiring decisions.

1. How has the hiring of the men's basketball coach worked out?

2. How has the hiring of in house non head coaching experienced football coach worked out?

3. Did the athletic director or his staff ever think about offering Gabby Price, a life long Maine, the very successful EXPERIENCED football coach at Husson University who is a proven product who built a program from scratch and a UMaine former football player?

4. Hiring of interim head baseball coach has yet to be proven successful?

5. Hockey is still struggling and not meeting their potential.

6. Only solid hire so far under current athletic directors administration was for the Women's Softball Coach? And he should have been the baseball hire.

Inexperience makes for poor hiring decisions and this administration has a ways to go to prove that it is capable to make good hiring decisions. The proof is in what success each individual program has had.

The hiring on an interim basis for the women's basketball position was the right move for the time being until Maine knows what Barron's future is as far as returning to the head coaching job.

So of the major sports, men's basketball, football, men's hockey and baseball are still questionable. Baseball because they did not hire the girls softball coach who is a proven winner as a coach at the D-1 level.

Again the problem of the hiring an out-of-state athletic director with no head AD experience, who hires out-of- state coaches who hire out-of-state assistant coaches who recruit out-of-state athletes for the most part (except baseball).

That is the problem of hiring AD's who were not experienced AD's as they have to learn on the job and make some poor hiring decisions because of their lack of experience in doing so.

If UMaine which is a land grant state was a private university then that is none of the tax payers business. But these out-of-state people are being paid well by the state of Maine's pay standard and most will use their current jobs as a stepping stone for their careers and leave Maine with what they have done especially in the hiring of coaches area.

Why the Board of trustees don't understand that Maine has Maine born people who are more experienced as AD's and coaches then the people that they hire. Most of the Mainers will work for less, work harder and not use their jobs as stepping stones. They will stay and hire Maine people and recruit Maine athletes.

As a life long Mainer I just don't get all this out-of-state hiring, especially when they are not that successful in their hiring or recruiting practices. except that out-of-staters are much more apt to hire or recruit other out-f-staters and how as that really worked out so far.After all not all "Mainer's are hicks in the sticks"
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Maine does have had capable Mainers as AD's and coaches at UMaine and in other Maine Colleges.

The board of trustees start this problem by hiring an out-of-state chancellor, who then hires an out-of-state pres-dent, who hires an out-of-state AD who hires out-of-state head coaches, who hire out-of-state assistant coaches who recruit mostly out-of-state athletes.
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Re: MACK sneak attack

Postby Tom Nolette » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:36 am

Sources: UMaine football team’s star running back plans to transfer

...According to sources close to the program, Mack has decided to transfer to a higher-level program, most likely a Football Bowl Subdivision institution.

He will have to sit out a season before he is eligible to compete at another Division I institution as required by NCAA transfer guidelines.

UMaine head coach Joe Harasymiak was on the road recruiting and couldn’t be reached for comment on Monday.

UMaine athletics Tyson McHatten wrote in a text message that they, “don’t have any transfer news right now.

http://bangordailynews.com/2017/12/11/s ... -transfer/
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Re: MACK sneak attack

Postby Linguist » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:24 am

bcbc55 - HAHAHAHA, that is hilarious. Gabby Price as a Division 1 head football coach. That is delightful. Made my day. Thanks for the laugh. :lol:
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Re: MACK sneak attack

Postby turkeyman » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:28 am

Does anyone know of any study showing how athletes do after they transfer? Seems I saw some suggestion, on mbr or somewhere else, that suggests they seldom improve their lots, that they would most likely have had better careers had they stayed put. That would be hard to quantify, but it would be interesting.

We have had tons (literally) of transfers from the mbb and wbb programs at Maine. From reports here on mbr, it seems few of those from mbb got into a) significantly stronger programs or b) more PT and therefore more production. Looks like Wes Myers from last year might be an exception, and maybe a couple of others. In mbb, 700 players transferred last year out of about 4,600 players in DI.

On the women's side, of the five who transferred last year, four must sit out a year. Isabel Hernandez Pepe, who went to St. Edward's in Texas, a DII school, is playing, which means she must not have gotten a scholarship. As I understand it, when transferring between DI and DII if you take the money you have to sit a year. Pepe is her team's leading scorer after 10 games (10.2 ppg) and second leading rebounder (5.6 rpg) and has started four of its 10 games. St. Ed's is 5-5. It has seven transfers on its roster.

Of the other four, Anita Kelava may have improved her situation by going to Georgetown, which is improving -- but it lost its final four games last year -- and made the WNIT. After her year on the pine, she will be one of five returning bigs. Naira Caceras moved to Butler, which was a terrible 5-26 last year but is 6-4 this year. When her sit-out is done, she will have to crack a lineup that has been together two years because Butler had a lot of freshmen last year.

Tihana Stojsavljevic moved up to a P5 conference at Texas Tech, but Tech hasn't done well since Marsha Sharp
retired after 2006. Tech beat Maine 60-50 last time Maine made the NCAAs (2004). Tech is 3-5 this year, so its fortunes may not have turned around yet. Laia Sole followed her sister (from Robert Morris) in transferring to Duquesne. She had told a reporter that she didn't want to do what her sister had done and transfer after one year. Yeah, right.

The reality these days is that coaches and parents are not always on the same page. In wbb, Kathereine Quackenbush was a highly regarded recruit from Halifax, N.S. Andrea Gay came with Quack in the same class and from across the harbor from Quack's home. Katherine's mother drove up from Halifax for quite a few games. The mom asked Coach Versyp if Quack would get more playing time, and that was the end of PT for Quack. After two years of gathering splinters, Quack transferred to Memorial U in St. John's, Nfld., and played out her eligibility -- Canada allows five years -- there as an all-star. From what I've seen of Canadian university wbb, the good teams are about high-DII level. Coach at UNB told me he wished she had stayed at Maine because she destroyed his team every time. Andrea Gay went to the University of Toronto but didn't play ball there. Years ago, Trish Ripton chose not to play out her eligibility at Maine, resurfaced at USM and helped Gary Fifield's always-strong team a great deal.

Staying and quitting is also an option. On the wbb side, Martina Tinklova chose to forego her senior season when Versyp came in. Don't know why, but Versyp's first team could have used her. It was her free throws, as I recall, that gave Maine the edge over Stanford in the NCAA in 1999. Martina graduated from UMaine.

Whether it's a coaching issue or a coach-parent issue, we're probably in for a lot more of this for at least a few years. It will be interesting to see whether Mack improves his lot. As others have noted, a strong O-line can make any running back very good, so picking up good guards and tackles may be more important than replacing Mack with a top running back.

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Re: MACK sneak attack

Postby dunbar » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:35 am

Maine needs qualified people to work for and operate a Division I athletic program. This state does not produce many (if any) of those people. As far as I’m concerned, if they chose to come here, they have the right to call this home. The provincialism of this state (especially with the older generation) really holds this state back. We need “outsiders” to keep this state afloat.
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