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Re: CIM's Latest Blog: UMNoNews M-Good News W/nhsf4L/8-3-4RF

PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:42 pm
by bcbc55
No News on the goblackbears.com men's basketball website since Match 27, 2017 while the women's site has had several since that date.

Just another reason why there is not much interest in the men's program.

Could they have posted the offers (if there is not NCAA rule that prohibits that) COACHDLJ JUST INFORMED ME THAT IT IS AGAINST THE NCAA RULES TO ANNOUNCE ANY OFFERS UNTIL THE RECRUIT SIGNS OR PAYS INITIAL SCHOOL APPLICATION COSTS SO THEY CANNOT OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCE ANYTHING UNTIL A OFFICIAL SIGNING OR PAYMENT.

So the few fans have to find out about them here on MBR by our posters, especially Blind Zebra who keeps us up-to-date as possible.

Also, I want to thank Linquist for him giving me the following site to check all America East conference offers and signings. go to http://verbalcommitts.com/conferences/america-east.... if you are interested.

The women's program keeps us right up to date on their website because they appreciate their fans and want to keep them informed.

The men's program could have posted the reason that they cannot post about who they have offered couldn't they?

Guess no news is good news regarding the men's program.

So this NCAA rule is the reason that they don't post the offers is that so schools don't have to report themselves that these recruits signed with someone else?

Ridiculous rule as the news gets out regardless of what the schools do or don't do and the news has to come out from either the recruits or the schools. So the rule still is broken if it is the recruits (if there is a rule against the recruits announcing the offers) or the schools that does the leaking.

Are the cover ups and the leaks worse then the breaking the rule?

What's that old adage? Bad publicity is better then no publicity at all.

Guess that is the UMaine men's basketball current program don't believe in that old "sayin".

I would say then,"No news is Good News regarding the UMaine men's basketball program.

What would you think is the BEST news that we could possibly get about the UMaine men's basketball program?.

Re: CIM's Latest Blog: UMNoNews M-Good News W/nhsf4L/8-3-4RF

PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:00 pm
by CoachDLJ
Bob,

NCAA rules prohibit talking about any recruit unless they are signed or have paid all Financial Obligations to the school for enrollment. The only people I can speculate are the newspapers, blogs, and everyone else. That includes any post, Tweet, social media, or verbally.

Re: CIM's Latest Blog: UMNoNews M-Good News W/nhsf4L/8-3-4RF

PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:16 pm
by bcbc55
[quote="CoachDLJ"]Bob,

NCAA rules prohibit talking about any recruit unless they are signed or have paid all Financial Obligations to the school for enrollment. The only people I can speculate are the newspapers, blogs, and everyone else. That includes any

CoachDLJ: Thanks for that information. But how does the word get out then on when which schools have offered who?

Does this offering info come from the school or does it come from the player being recruited (or is it illegal for the player to comment)?

Or is this offering info coming from insiders who only talk if they are not officially identified. Like many stories in today's news the source reports only if not identified and named as the source.

Where there is smoke (the announcement of the offer by the offerree) there is fire (the school or the recruit as they have to know right?).

Thanks again.

Re: CIM's Latest Blog: UMNoNews M-Good News W/nhsf4L/8-3-4RF

PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:14 pm
by CoachDLJ
Unofficially from the recruit, the recruit's family or high school/travel coach or a source.

Officially from the recruit.

Here are some Bylaws
13.10.2 Publicity Before Commitment.
13.10.2.1 Comments Before Commitment. Before the signing of a prospective student-athlete to a National Letter of Intent or an institution's written offer of admission and/or financial aid or before the institution receives his or her financial deposit in response to its offer of admission, a member institution may comment publicly only to the extent of confirming its recruitment of the prospective student-athlete. The institution may not comment generally about the prospective student-athlete's ability or the contribution that the prospective student-athlete might make to the institution's team; further, the institution is precluded from commenting in any manner as to the likelihood of the prospective student-athlete committing to or signing with that institution.

13.10.2.4 Prospective Student-Athlete's Visit. A member institution shall not publicize (or arrange for publicity of) a prospective student-athlete’s visit to the institution’s campus. Further, a prospective student-athlete may not participate in team activities that would make the public or media aware of the prospective student-athlete’s visit to the institution (e.g., running out of the tunnel with team, celebratory walks to or around the stadium/arena, on-field pregame celebrations).

13.10.2.5 Introduction of Prospective Student-Athlete. An institution may not introduce a visiting prospective student-athlete at a function (e.g., the institution’s sports award banquet or an intercollegiate athletics contest) that is attended by media representatives or open to the general public.

13.10.2.6 Intent to Enroll. An institution shall not publicize (or arrange for publicity of) a prospective student-athlete’s intention to accept its offer of financial assistance.

13.10.3 Publicity After Commitment. There are no restrictions on publicity related to a prospective student-athlete after he or she has signed a National Letter of Intent or the institution's written offer of admission and/or financial aid or after the institution has received his or her financial deposit in response to its offer of admission, except as set forth in Bylaw 13.10.1. For institutions that subscribe to the National Letter of Intent program, this provision does not apply to a prospective student-athlete who only signs an institution's written offer of admission and/or financial aid prior to the initial regular (as opposed to early) signing date of the National Letter of Intent program in the applicable sport.

Re: CIM's Latest Blog: UMNoNews M-Good News W/nhsf4L/8-3-4RF

PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:39 pm
by bcbc55
CoachDLJ wrote:Unofficially from the recruit, the recruit's family or high school/travel coach or a source.

Officially from the recruit.

Here are some Bylaws
13.10.2 Publicity Before Commitment.
13.10.2.1 Comments Before Commitment. Before the signing of a prospective student-athlete to a National Letter of Intent or an institution's written offer of admission and/or financial aid or before the institution receives his or her financial deposit in response to its offer of admission, a member institution may comment publicly only to the extent of confirming its recruitment of the prospective student-athlete. The institution may not comment generally about the prospective student-athlete's ability or the contribution that the prospective student-athlete might make to the institution's team; further, the institution is precluded from commenting in any manner as to the likelihood of the prospective student-athlete committing to or signing with that institution.

13.10.2.4 Prospective Student-Athlete's Visit. A member institution shall not publicize (or arrange for publicity of) a prospective student-athlete’s visit to the institution’s campus. Further, a prospective student-athlete may not participate in team activities that would make the public or media aware of the prospective student-athlete’s visit to the institution (e.g., running out of the tunnel with team, celebratory walks to or around the stadium/arena, on-field pregame celebrations).

13.10.2.5 Introduction of Prospective Student-Athlete. An institution may not introduce a visiting prospective student-athlete at a function (e.g., the institution’s sports award banquet or an intercollegiate athletics contest) that is attended by media representatives or open to the general public.

13.10.2.6 Intent to Enroll. An institution shall not publicize (or arrange for publicity of) a prospective student-athlete’s intention to accept its offer of financial assistance.

13.10.3 Publicity After Commitment. There are no restrictions on publicity related to a prospective student-athlete after he or she has signed a National Letter of Intent or the institution's written offer of admission and/or financial aid or after the institution has received his or her financial deposit in response to its offer of admission, except as set forth in Bylaw 13.10.1. For institutions that subscribe to the National Letter of Intent program, this provision does not apply to a prospective student-athlete who only signs an institution's written offer of admission and/or financial aid prior to the initial regular (as opposed to early) signing date of the National Letter of Intent program in the applicable sport.



CoachDLJ: Thanks for the information. Find it very interesting. I overlooked Recruits parents, relatives, high school or AAU coach or anybody else the recruit or his relatives informed.

Question. Can or cannot a school announce on their website that they have offered player X a scholarship?

1. Could they post on their website we have offerred recruit ????????a scholarship?

2. Or can they only confirmed they have offered recruit???????a scholarship?

By the by-law 13.10.2.1 Comments on Committment. would say the answer is number 2.

Am I correct?

Re: CIM's Latest Blog: UMNoNews M-Good News W/nhsf4L/8-3-4RF

PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:53 pm
by CoachDLJ
Here is the answer most give

"Yes we are recruiting _________"

And that's all. That's why NAIA and other non-NCAA like their recruiting rules. They can sign anytime and announce anytime. Also, we can comment about who we are recruiting. Out of respect you never say anything about a recruit transferring from another four year institution until accepted and letter of intent signed. Only way you can even talk is to get a release (same with a freshman at a JuCo).

NCAA, NJCAA and NAIA are the only ones allowed to do official visits. NCCAA and USCAA have a rule against official visits.

Re: CIM's Latest Blog: UMNoNews M-Good News W/nhsf4L/8-3-4RF

PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:33 pm
by bcbc55
CoachDLJ wrote:Here is the answer most give

"Yes we are recruiting _________"

And that's all. That's why NAIA and other non-NCAA like their recruiting rules. They can sign anytime and announce anytime. Also, we can comment about who we are recruiting. Out of respect you never say anything about a recruit transferring from another four year institution until accepted and letter of intent signed. Only way you can even talk is to get a release (same with a freshman at a JuCo).

NCAA, NJCAA and NAIA are the only ones allowed to do official visits. NCCAA and USCAA have a rule against official visits.


CoachDLJ: Thanks again for your time and effort in helping me understand this rule. Really appreciate it.

So D-1 and D-2 colleges can't post on their website that they have offered player X. But can answer if asked....Yes, we are recruiting player X?

By the way. Congratulations of going to NAIA. Two divisions great. Should hope would improve scheduling also for those sports.

Thanks again.

Re: CIM's Latest Blog: UM Women sign point guard from Israel

PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:57 pm
by bcbc55
UMAINE WOMEN SIGN POINT GUARD FROM ISRAEL

UMaine Women's Interim Head Basketball Coach Amy Vachon has added a second recruit in a 24 hour time frame as point guard, 5'6" Dor Saar a 3 time international Tournament MVP.

She is a true point guard with a lot of international experience. In her past 3 seasons leading the Team Israel International Team playing for the U18, U16 and U14 to National Championships and national Cups where she averaged 10,6 ppg, 3.6 Rebounds and 3.5 assists per game

She maybe just what the Doctor ordered as the Bears wear looking at possibly filling 4 year outstanding 3 time America East Conference First Team selection veteran point guard Sigi Koizar by committee using Sutton, Brosseau and Millan at point.

So with the signing of 6'3" JUCO Ashlny McDonald yesterday and with the announcement of getting a true point guard who has exhibited the skill to run a team, shoot the three, create for her teammates and to make her teammates better now gives the Mainers 3 new recruits as the 2 this week will join outstanding shooter freshmen Kelly Fogarty from Massachusetts.

This now gives the women's team 10 scholarship players adding the 3 recruits a BIG, a shooter and a point guard to the returning 7 scholarship players.

So this still leaves 4 or 5 scholarships left after losing Koizar and Jones as seniors and the 5 interantional transfers.

Keleva, Sole and Careces might want to take another look at returning to Maine this season now that the decision on who will be the head coach next year and the addition of potentially excellent players in Fogarty, McDonald and Saar.

They should also consider that they probably will not be able to sign higher than UMaine at 128 in the ncaa.com end of season RPI's and the rank of the AE Conference at 22 of 32 conferences.

The grass may seem like it is greener on the other side (lower ranked teams) of the (Maine) fence but that maybe because those teams on the other side of the fence probably going to be lower ranked then Maine at 128.

For further information about this important signing go to bangordailynews.com and hit sports.

Re: CIM's Latest Blog: UMaine women sign Israel point guard

PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:41 am
by bcbc55
THE WEEKLY BANGOR DAILY NEWS BASKETBALL BLOG:

This week's blog is entitled:

THIS NCAA MEN'S '"MARCH MADNESS" WILL LEAD TO BOY''S HIGH SCHOOL NEXT SEASON'S "MADNESS"

Go to bangordailynews.com hit Blogs...top left hand side

NEXT'S WEEKLY (Friday, April 21) BANGOR DAILY NEWS BASKETBALL BLOG will be entitled:

WOMEN'S NCAA "MARCH GLADNESS" WILL LEAD TO GIRLS (HOPEFULLY BOYS) HS BASKETBALL's NEXT SEASON'S "GLADNESS"!

Re: CIM's Latest Blog: Responce to Bob Neal's post.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:13 pm
by bcbc55
Bob N. I'm still benched to my Blog for responding to posts.

It has been quite awhile since we heard of the transfers'

So considering it is quite awhile for transferring I give you some potential choices for the so called defectors as you referred to them that is in their best educational and basketball interests.

1. The 5 Return home and go to college there and play professionally if they can make it to help pay for their education

2. The 5 Transfer down from the 128th UMaine end-of-season ranked ncaa.com RPI ranked D-1 team

3. The 5 Drop down even further to D-2

4. Sole and Keleva Return to UMaine, knowing who is the head coach for next year and because they will not have to run the point guard position by committee now that UMaine have recruited a potentially very good true point guard for the next 4 years and 3 of their years. Caceres and the other 2 chose either 1, 2 and 3.

I vote for number 4 and hope that is what happens.

Which one do you think will happen?

Which one would you want to happen?

Or because they are defectors in your words you don't care?

CIM