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Pitch counts make little difference in high school baseball

Postby Tom Nolette » Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:32 am

Maine high school baseball moving toward pitch-count restrictions

AUGUSTA, Maine — Momentum to bring pitch-count restrictions to Maine high school baseball is growing.

The baseball committee of the Maine Principals’ Association discussed the use of pitch counts during its winter meeting Tuesday, and while nothing will change for the 2016 season, all signs indicate that adoption of the practice statewide is inevitable at all levels of high school baseball.

http://bangordailynews.com/2016/02/03/s ... trictions/
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Re: Maine hs moving toward pitch-count restrictions

Postby thebam » Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:32 pm

Long overdue.
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Re: Maine hs moving toward pitch-count restrictions

Postby TAL1957 » Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:35 am

Thank goodness the MPA will help parents with managing their kids health and best interests ! Surely they know what is in the best interests of each individual pitcher better than their parents and coaches might. If not for Big Brother oversight, what we do.
That said, their should be a provision for parents to opt their, = THEIR, kid out of these restrictions if they so choose. Not likely though.
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Re: Maine hs moving toward pitch-count restrictions

Postby Sean Stackhouse » Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:44 am

Restrictions wouldn't be necessary if all coaches were responsible. But having one coach who abuses an ace's arm is too many. So... What else can you really do?
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Re: Maine hs moving toward pitch-count restrictions

Postby TAL1957 » Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:59 am

Sean Stackhouse wrote:Restrictions wouldn't be necessary if all coaches were responsible. But having one coach who abuses an ace's arm is too many. So... What else can you really do?
Let the parents make the final decision. It is THEIR child, not the MPA's, even though they may feel differently.

I don't disagree that there has been some questionable coaching on this, but don't know that the MPA usual, one-size-fits all restriction, is the appropriate approach. Some kids shouldn't throw more than 50-60 without 3-4 days rest, other's can throw 80-100, rest a few days and do it all over again. Is the kid throwing 50%-plus curve balls, or mostly moderate fastballs and an effective changeup, with only occasional hard curveball ? What are his overall mechanics like ? Etc., etc., etc.

Just sayin, I think ya'all already got way more than enuf MPA restrictions on HS baseball players and their development in Maine ! And, .... darn few restirctions that are actually proven or known to be all that beneficial. I kinda do like the requirements for days of rest, but mostly for it's effect on the competitive aspect of the game rather than as needed protection for pitchers.
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Re: Maine hs moving toward pitch-count restrictions

Postby SoxFan1966 » Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:00 am

I'm all for protecting kids but managing an in-game pitch count totally messes with the game.

If the pitch count is say 110 per game and a pitcher has 2 outs, bottom of the 7th, new batter coming to the plate and the pitcher has thrown 111 pitches it is absurd to have to remove the kid from the game. Change my number to 100 or 90 or whatever.

Most kids will want to stay in a game even if they are getting lit up or showing fatigue. Most coaches will make the necessary pitching change if this is happening, but not always. There are also existing inning limits per week.

There is an overall lack of pitching in the State due to specialization, other spring sport options, declining youth participation, lack of adequate coaching and/or pre-season time.

There is no easy answer but an in game pitch count is not the answer.
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Re: Maine hs moving toward pitch-count restrictions

Postby TAL1957 » Sun Feb 07, 2016 4:36 pm

My above opinions notwithstanding, I should also at least note that the specific pitch counts currently recommended by USA Baseball, and those in place in Vermont, would not be particularly troublesome, but it is a slippery slope that could see further limitations once the initial framework is already in place.
E.g., 110 or 120 today, becomes 90-100 in a couple years, and then 75-80 before ya know it. Wonder what the pitch counts in Texas, California, Florida and the Carolinas are at present ? In the Dominican Republic ? ;)

Jus sayin' ..... :)
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Re: Maine hs moving toward pitch-count restrictions

Postby thebam » Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:20 am

From Texas:
Pitching Limitation
A pitcher may pitch one game each day in an unlimited number of innings. If he pitches in more than one game
during a day, he will be limited to a total of ten innings each day. It is strongly recommended that a player who
has pitched a full game the previous day not be used as a pitcher the following day.
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Re: Maine hs moving toward pitch-count restrictions

Postby BaseFan14 » Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:26 am

The responsibility should be on the coach to make these decisions. The innings limits that are in place now seem to be fine. Aren't the coaches hired and paid to make these decisions.
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Re: Maine hs moving toward pitch-count restrictions

Postby thebam » Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:36 pm

BaseFan14 wrote:The responsibility should be on the coach to make these decisions. The innings limits that are in place now seem to be fine. Aren't the coaches hired and paid to make these decisions.

Innings pitched does not represent an accurate work load on an arm.
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