Baseball, is it time for a new tourney format?

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Re: Baseball, is it time for a new tourney format?

Postby fromthebench » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:40 am

Actually, my point was that they played an inferior schedule to the SMAA teams. (which they did)
This allowed them to get a first round bye and an easier route through the playoffs where they could ride one D1 pitcher all the way. No one is suggesting they weren't quality teams, they had weak opponents and had they played the same tough schedule as everyone else they wouldn't have had such an easy path.
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Re: Baseball, is it time for a new tourney format?

Postby millersbaseball » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:14 am

While I understand the sentiment, and it would be helpful for the Class A format (and some B teams), this would make postseason baseball with Maine's smaller schools nearly unwatchable.

Most Class C / D programs have 1-2 arms that they can count on to keep them in games. If there were series involved, you'd be looking at games where pitchers would walk 10+ hitters and final scores ranging from 15-20 for EACH team. Sure, there's no doubt that the best team would likely win, but I don't see how this would make much sense in the smaller Maine communities.

As much as it would be great, it would be far too detrimental statewide to actually consider.
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Re: Baseball, is it time for a new tourney format?

Postby downeastcoach11 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:16 am

Completely agree with Millers, we aren’t taking the C/D school of the 2000-2010 where most had 3-4, it’s now mostly 1 and some 2’s. Look at class D as it is, no way you could make this bearable.
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Re: Baseball, is it time for a new tourney format?

Postby bulldog » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:07 pm

fromthebench wrote:Actually, my point was that they played an inferior schedule to the SMAA teams. (which they did)
This allowed them to get a first round bye and an easier route through the playoffs where they could ride one D1 pitcher all the way. No one is suggesting they weren't quality teams, they had weak opponents and had they played the same tough schedule as everyone else they wouldn't have had such an easy path.


The teams play the schedules they are given. Over the past five years, Bangor and Falmouth has had superior pitching over other teams. Usually, at the high school level...as with all levels, teams with the greatest pitching depth and development usually go the farthest. Bangor's run has been led by multiple arms that matches depth if not better than probably equally to any team. Their team concept seems to revolve around pitching and defense. Courtney, Delaite, Kemble, Hillier, Farnham, Cowwperthwaite, Colford, Younger Cowperthwaite, and Prouty have given them tons of innings. Falmouth had Guarino, Armitage, and Armitage 2 (twins) to lead them through their 4 year success.) They have just been better. Bangor's schedule has not been weak...They beat a very good Brewer team three years ago (Pushard for Brewer, now at Maine), two years ago they beat Hampden and McKenney, now at Maine, and last year they beat Carson (signed by Maine) so to say they have had an easy road is an excuse. Courtney shut out a very good Windham team 6 years ago to start the streak, Hillier beat a very good South Portland team the following year. Then Delaite shut out a very good Falmouth team with he and Kemble throwing 3 shutouts throughout that playoff run. Following year, Kemble and Cowperthwaite throw three shutouts in the playoffs to get them to the state game against a good Falmouth team (Rutherford from Portland said they were the best team in the south due to the arms they had). The Bangor beats them 4 to 3 in the championship game. Last year Bangor wins a slugfest in the state game. To say Falmouth and Bangor had easier roads is a farce. They both had good teams with very good pitching. Better hang on this year, Oxford Hills is loaded and very well could face South Portland in the State game...Hopefully Carson and Owens are facing each other. Sometimes we have to give the kids and the coaches the credit they deserve with what they do.
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Re: Baseball, is it time for a new tourney format?

Postby uptheriver » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:54 pm

Most D's and many C's don't have the pitching to be in a series. And the weather can back the schedule up.
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Re: Baseball, is it time for a new tourney format?

Postby joeschmoe2 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:12 pm

The big impediments are weather and the end of the school year.

The Spring sports season already aspirationally starts during April vacation or even the Friday before. Oftentimes, the weather isn't going to permit that and games get pushed back, especially up north. The regular season is really compact already (3 games per week, asking 90% of high school teams to have the pitchers for more than 3 games per week is a bridge too far). You can't move the start of the regular season forward any to account for an expanded tournament unless we are going to start playing indoors.

On the other end, the state finals are already on June 15. The vast majorities of schools are out by then, or about to be. Seniors are unquestionably long gone from the classroom. Graduations and proms have happened. Any later for state titles and you are really encroaching on the summer, and everyone will still be playing after the school year has ended. I don't think that's a can of worms that the MPA should or would open.

Because of Maine weather, ALL spring sports are going to get short shrift. Everyone has summer or senior-itis. You've got proms, graduations, academic awards ceremonies, kids are starting summer jobs and getting ready to go to college orientations, the weather is getting warm and kids want to be anywhere but at school. Heck the ADs are ready for the long year to be over. It just is how it is.
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Re: Baseball, is it time for a new tourney format?

Postby fromthebench » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:27 pm

Good points but as I said in my first post, every baseball team in Maine from Little League to College is used to settling things with a weekend double elimination tourney. If they can do it, I'm sure the high schools could figure it out.
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